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coastflyer
coastflyer
SA
601 posts
SA, 601 posts
29 Dec 2009 6:50pm
I have a Liquid Force twin tip and have stripped several threads on the footstrap screw inserts, moulded into the deck. On close inspection, they appear to be made of brass, not stainless steel. Does anybody know how to replace or repair these inserts? Thanks!
KiteNutt
KiteNutt
QLD
280 posts
QLD, 280 posts
29 Dec 2009 7:05pm
You can use what's called a helicoil, basically a spring that has your original thread on the inside and new larger dia thread on the outside. You can get kits from most bolt and bearing type shops.

The challenge is going to be tapping into a very shallow blind hole.. You'll need staged taps for this. May pay to seek an engineering shops help if your not familiar with this type of work.

Or drill it and put a bolt right thru... Ugly but a certain fix. Beyond that your cutting the old ones out and glassing new ones in.
toddws
toddws
WA
469 posts
WA, 469 posts
29 Dec 2009 5:34pm
age of board? might it be worth talking with the distributor?
coastflyer
coastflyer
SA
601 posts
SA, 601 posts
29 Dec 2009 8:08pm
toddws said...

age of board? might it be worth talking with the distributor?


It's 2 years old. I did think about drilling right through and using a countersunk head screw. If done properly, it should look alright, except you would lose the ability to move strap to differrent positions.
Charl dv
Charl dv
WA
2485 posts
WA, 2485 posts
29 Dec 2009 10:35pm
ok i dont quite understand how u strip threads on a board ay unless you cant line up a hole for shyt but anyway think about how much you truley need to move straps.. which in theory should be never once u found ur sweet spot.. which in 2 yrs you should of done. so simply take that position, drill a hole like 10mm directly above or below the current set of inserts you use, depending on how much duck you like, with the size bit that is same as the bolt ( should be 1/4 inch so 6mm is fine)

go buy yourself a set of T nuts and a hole saw, measure the shaft length of T nut and work out how thick ya board is - work out how much excess has to be cut out, use drill saw to cut out a bit - leave a small amount of excess to be compressed. put t nut it hammer it in use a bolt to tighten it further, pour resin in and its sealed and ready to go.
KiteNutt
KiteNutt
QLD
280 posts
QLD, 280 posts
30 Dec 2009 6:44am
coastflyer said...

toddws said...

age of board? might it be worth talking with the distributor?


It's 2 years old. I did think about drilling right through and using a countersunk head screw. If done properly, it should look alright, except you would lose the ability to move strap to differrent positions.


if you do go right thru and countersink the bottom of the board make sure you use superglue or resin to seal the hole up and I'd also use Sikaflex or such when you stick the stainless bolt through to help keep the water out of your board.
It will all depend on if the insert goes from top to bottom skin if the board. If not you may be better of using a well sealed round head bolt... I know it's not the best looking but very practical.
Remember boards flex! This will cause dramas with counter sunk holes if ya not careful.
coastflyer
coastflyer
SA
601 posts
SA, 601 posts
30 Dec 2009 9:26am
Thanks for the ideas! I kinda like the T bolt method because that will not compromise the bottom skin of the board. Material thickness around inserts is approx 25mm, so plenty to play with.
kevinwd1
kevinwd1
QLD
125 posts
QLD, 125 posts
30 Dec 2009 9:14am
Helicoil is the best way to fix the thread.If you stuff it up then you can go the T nut option.
juggler
juggler
VIC
243 posts
VIC, 243 posts
30 Dec 2009 4:21pm
I put a bolt through mine big fat washer & nut on the bottom, i can't notice the difference when riding & it's good for a laugh (maybe i should of used stainless)
stamp
stamp
QLD
2800 posts
QLD, 2800 posts
30 Dec 2009 5:09pm
if you use a helicoil make sure you use a sharp good quality drill bit that is exactly the right size, and use trefolex or cutting oil when you tap the new thread.

also you should only ever go 1/4 or 1/2 a turn maximum at a time with the tap, and then turn it backwards until you feel the swarf break, or else you'll break the tap off in the hole.
NSW, 4382 posts
30 Dec 2009 6:37pm
stamp said...

if you use a helicoil make sure you use a sharp good quality drill bit that is exactly the right size, and use trefolex or cutting oil when you tap the new thread.

also you should only ever go 1/4 or 1/2 a turn maximum at a time with the tap, and then turn it backwards until you feel the swarf break, or else you'll break the tap off in the hole.


Good advice, unlikely to break the tap in a brass insert though.
Helicoil is a waste of time electrolysis will cause the helicoil to fail too.

Thats why the threads failed, in the first place. Brass inserts should not be used with SS screws, only brass screws should be used with brass inserts. I avoid selling boards with brass inserts, because they are a design fault in the first place IMHO.

CharlDV's advice is correct, use stainless T-Nuts and put them in like KiteNutt said.
Or just drill right through the board, countersink the holes and use CS screws and nuts.

Cya and

Goodwinds

steve
rhinoman
rhinoman
QLD
362 posts
QLD, 362 posts
30 Dec 2009 5:45pm
just buy a new board ....you can get a north select for about $1350... there worth every penny
Beersy
Beersy
TAS
753 posts
TAS, 753 posts
30 Dec 2009 7:21pm
^ Are you affiliated with North in any way? Just wondering because you seem to mention them every time you post. And your Name is rhinoman. Not having a go or anything, just curious...
SaveTheWhales
SaveTheWhales
WA
1913 posts
WA, 1913 posts
30 Dec 2009 9:10pm
Just undo the screws - then rescrew onto one of these




After all its Christmas


rhinoman
rhinoman
QLD
362 posts
QLD, 362 posts
31 Dec 2009 9:33am
Beersy said...

^ Are you affiliated with North in any way? Just wondering because you seem to mention them every time you post. And your Name is rhinoman. Not having a go or anything, just curious...


not really.. i just think when it comes to kiting they have every corner covered so like the old advert you'se to go ....when your on a good thing stick with it ..
Saffer
Saffer
VIC
4501 posts
VIC, 4501 posts
31 Dec 2009 10:58am
Charl dv said...

ok i dont quite understand how u strip threads on a board ay unless you cant line up a hole for shyt but anyway think about how much you truley need to move straps.. which in theory should be never once u found ur sweet spot.. which in 2 yrs you should of done. so simply take that position, drill a hole like 10mm directly above or below the current set of inserts you use, depending on how much duck you like, with the size bit that is same as the bolt ( should be 1/4 inch so 6mm is fine)


Most common reason I have seen for it is people using the wrong thread type. I.e. metric vs imperial. In most cases, they screw in fine for the first couple of turns so people think it fits and they just continue to tighten it without any regard for the damage they are doing.

If they have done in all their threads as seems to be the case here, I'm guessing they might have done this, I have no other explanation for how someone can damage all their threads when guys on bindings don't even damage one.
suface2air
suface2air
QLD
701 posts
QLD, 701 posts
31 Dec 2009 12:05pm
A message is written in here for eveybody . I striped one because they will come lose nothing about corosion or any thing else after i did a massive face plant from a strap coming off board i went home and fixed it with heli coil and checked all others and they were lose . So for everyone else out there check your strap bolts regularly they do come lose .... ( heli coils are great if it is done up once and only once if you are undoeing or doeing up they do stuff up )
hipchops
hipchops
1 posts
1 posts
9 Feb 2010 2:24am
I just fixed my board with the helicoil and it seems to have worked great! Haven't taken it in the water yet which will be the true test however it feels solid. It took some delicate procedures to make sure I didn't drill too deep also I had to trim off the top of the excess helicoil with a dremel. I'm glad I found this thread!!! Thanks for the advice everyone.
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