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vishy
vishy
WA
451 posts
WA, 451 posts
22 Jan 2013 8:44am
Just a few observations from today and some food for thought.

When your supervising children swimming at the beach and a bunch of kiters doing a downwinder come through, it is hard to determine if they are in control and their proximity to the swimmers is quite unnerving even as a kiter.

Doing top turns right in front of a surfers face as he is trying to paddle back out?

In terms of public relations and respect it's not really that hard to just ride out behind them in a straight line so they know where you are going then come back in downwind of them.

You've spent all season weaving between the children at the local beach, how are you going to defend your right to access to the beach when they try to ban us?

You lose your rail on a top turn, too bad to the surfer that was 1m downwind of you.

Easy to become blase over time, but maybe just think about how your actions might be perceived by others in the future.

P.S. Yes I have no problem letting the person know if they are being are douche.
arloj
arloj
WA
237 posts
WA, 237 posts
22 Jan 2013 10:55am
completely agree, if there are any swimmers, surfers, old nudists i stay well clear regardless of how confident i am that i can get by. iv seen guys boosting to show off to the ladies in waist deep water only to miss by a meter their kite decapitating said lady in g-string.
dafrog
dafrog
321 posts
321 posts
22 Jan 2013 12:25pm
Agreed, our responsibility to be perceived as safe by the wider community to preserve access to spots... and it's not only beginners, everyone especially when you think of yourself in total control cause you've been kiting for X years, **** happens to anyone.
Reflex Films
Reflex Films
WA
1463 posts
WA, 1463 posts
22 Jan 2013 1:16pm
if you are unhooked and overpowered with your kite parked about 10 -15 ft off the water dont come straight through 20 windsurfers at Brighton - just pop around the outside for a little bit

I went for a back loop - got about 15 ft looking upwind only to see a kite about 5 ft away from me - and approaching at a rate of knot from directly upwind and i had to chuck the gear to avoid a very spectacular mid air collision. Guy was totally out of control. I know we have to share the beach but this incident was particularly alarming - am getting used to the lines though due to my old kiting background and history of being wrapped in other peoples kite lines at this location.

and well done to the guy who wrapped up 3 swimmers with his lines earlier the same day - looked like chaos on the beach - with everyone doing the line unwrap dance in the shorey. Glad to see no harm came of it.
doggie
doggie
WA
15849 posts
WA, 15849 posts
22 Jan 2013 1:52pm
Reflex Films said...
if you are unhooked and overpowered with your kite parked about 10 -15 ft off the water dont come straight through 20 windsurfers at Brighton - just pop around the outside for a little bit

I went for a back loop - got about 15 ft looking upwind only to see a kite about 5 ft away from me - and approaching at a rate of knot from directly upwind and i had to chuck the gear to avoid a very spectacular mid air collision. Guy was totally out of control. I know we have to share the beach but this incident was particularly alarming - am getting used to the lines though due to my old kiting background and history of being wrapped in other peoples kite lines at this location.

and well done to the guy who wrapped up 3 swimmers with his lines earlier the same day - looked like chaos on the beach - with everyone doing the line unwrap dance in the shorey. Glad to see no harm came of it.


Was that last Sunday refex? I think I saw that incident

From what Ive seen when Ive been surfing some onshore goodness is that windsurfers know where you are as a stationary object, kiters either dont care or for some reason dont see you. Ive had about three close calls from kiters, and had a strapped surfboard smash into my leg.
Ive never had a windsurfer come even close to me while Ive been in the water.
jackforbes
jackforbes
WA
530 posts
WA, 530 posts
23 Jan 2013 10:29pm
Vishy, Judging by the number of thumbs up, we're all with you on this one mate. Unfortunately I suspect it's not the experienced kiters (or the locals) who are the issue - it's the guys who don't have a vested interest in protecting our beaches and keeping them open for kiting who are the problem!

An idea that was floated a while ago on this forum was to have a volunteer in a nice bright yellow shirt on the beach representing AKSA/WAKSA at popular locations, to spend a couple of hours on the weekends, who can represent us to the public and kiting community and make the local rules clear to kiters who may visit.

Might sound impractical, but I'd give up a session a month to help keep my local beach open and prevent others or my kids getting hurt - and it would give the public a good place to vent about kiters who weren't being courteous. Perhaps that is something some of the local shops would want to support as well.

Any thoughts?





Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
23705 posts
WA, 23705 posts
24 Jan 2013 12:05am
Windsurfers and surfers wrote all the same sh!t here years ago.
But were abused and apparently were kite haters

So don't hold ya breath Vishy

Reflex Films
Reflex Films
WA
1463 posts
WA, 1463 posts
24 Jan 2013 11:51am
had another incident yesterday - i am coming in on a wave from way out the back -shes a nice little head high wind wedge and i am excited about a fun bottom turn to foamy reo combo -

kiter riding out from beach toeside (possibly an ex surfer stuck on one stance) starts to shift his weight to the heel side on to the wave - so i can see from a mile a away whats is about to happen

its just a fat surge at this point - but its getting ready to form a nice little vert pocket.

and sure enough about 10m downwind he performs the mother of all drop ins.

Second half of my bottom turn is straight into his lines - well it would have been as i had to put on the handbrake. Now we are both standing there - the wave is totally wasted - and said kite dude is yelling and gesticulating at me. Awesome.

I cant believe this was intentional - i think its just pure ignorance - and i have had this happen a few times in the past as well. Perhaps some education on wave etiquette is in order ?

On a positive note -as usual Niall was ripping it to bits and getting some great airs and saw Ryland come through with a big smile on his face - as i fanged past downwind on another wave chase.

None the less it was a super fun day of wind wedge chasing!

vishy
vishy
WA
451 posts
WA, 451 posts
25 Jan 2013 9:02pm
jackforbes said...
Unfortunately I suspect it's not the experienced kiters (or the locals) who are the issue - it's the guys who don't have a vested interest in protecting our beaches and keeping them open for kiting who are the problem!

An idea that was floated a while ago on this forum was to have a volunteer in a nice bright yellow shirt on the beach representing AKSA/WAKSA at popular locations, to spend a couple of hours on the weekends, who can represent us to the public and kiting community and make the local rules clear to kiters who may visit.

Any thoughts?



Sorry but I disagree.

Experienced guys are just as likely to do it(myself included) as are blow-ins, becoming overconfident and reducing buffer zones. I have witnessed this many many times.

Again I disagree, I am more about "Be the change you wish to see".

If we keep the common feel open and friendly like it is, help each other and educate others where necessary I do not see a problem.

Reflex, that really sucks, not even sure what they were doing down there, I thought the kiters stayed upwind more?

Dave Whettingsteel
Dave Whettingsteel
WA
1397 posts
WA, 1397 posts
25 Jan 2013 9:24pm
I think it's about the swimmers perception.... For example when I am mucking around with my daughters and their friends at the beach, a jet ski might come through, fairly slowly from their perspective, but I don't know what they are going to do so I bring the kids together and go protective ..... Not because the guy is being a adick head but I just don't know what he is going to do, or what he has observed, or what he cares about.

It's the same for kiters, windsurfers etc, you may feel, and be, absolutely in control. But the people mucking around playing etc do not know how to assess and calibrate that.

Maybe you have to have kids to really get that protective instinct
Reflex Films
Reflex Films
WA
1463 posts
WA, 1463 posts
30 Jan 2013 11:40am
vishy said...
jackforbes said...
Unfortunately I suspect it's not the experienced kiters (or the locals) who are the issue - it's the guys who don't have a vested interest in protecting our beaches and keeping them open for kiting who are the problem!

An idea that was floated a while ago on this forum was to have a volunteer in a nice bright yellow shirt on the beach representing AKSA/WAKSA at popular locations, to spend a couple of hours on the weekends, who can represent us to the public and kiting community and make the local rules clear to kiters who may visit.

Any thoughts?



Sorry but I disagree.

Experienced guys are just as likely to do it(myself included) as are blow-ins, becoming overconfident and reducing buffer zones. I have witnessed this many many times.

Again I disagree, I am more about "Be the change you wish to see".

If we keep the common feel open and friendly like it is, help each other and educate others where necessary I do not see a problem.

Reflex, that really sucks, not even sure what they were doing down there, I thought the kiters stayed upwind more?




there is a big pile of kites downwind at south trigg / nth scabs - but there are about 50 or so kites that come through the zone every windy arvo - which i dont have a problem with per se - as i am all about everyone maxing wave time.
But its the crew that drop in , or just barell through on a kamikaze mission that are a pain. Or the learning strapless mega swimmers who lose their boards on every or every second wave.

Niall has a nice bank sussed just upwind and pings slays and sweet airs all afternoon long with zero issues at all - and i enjoy seeing him out
its a shame more kiters cant emulate his
a: skill and style
b: courtesy to other water users
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