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Neptune
Neptune
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19 Dec 2011 10:56pm
I would like to say thanks to Eric who saved me, and all my gear at Melville waters today.
I owe you one.

I'm just a beginner and had some great upwind runs out today until my kite inverted and the lines got twisted while I was very far out on the water. After realizing I wasn't gonna be able to relaunch without untwisting my lines, I pulled my release. This however did not seem to do very much at all. Because of the twist in my lines it kept the tension on the kite and kept on trying to launch. Everytime I tried to do a deep water pack down by rolling up my lines my kite would just try to relaunch and refused to sheet out. After a long struggle I finally got it down. By this stage my lines were in a massive tangle but I figured I'll fix that when I'm back on shore. I tried to flip my kite and make it into a sail but my lines were getting in the way of doing so. I would have done this eventually but by then a very nice American guy called Eric came out to me and bodydragged me back to shore.

He saved me and all my gear. Thanks a lot Eric! I owe you one. I have learned couple of things today: Do not go out to far! and after I came back to shore I practiced my 'sail in' technique. I have Paul to thank for that. This will (hopefully) not happen again!

Now let's untangle that massive mess...
Jonopark
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19 Dec 2011 11:15pm
Your not the only one! Someone today with a core kite at pineroo crashed about 200m (past the 200 ski marker) and tried to swim his kite in! Myself and others offered to drag him in but he didn't want it. I think the English language was also a barrier. Anyway he was out there for a long long time (over half hour) with all those sharks around. Towing his kite by safety leash! F@$k that!!! But I believe he gave it another go a hour or so later. Good effort
theDoctor
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20 Dec 2011 2:38am


Was it eric eck

He's my hero too....

NoBS
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20 Dec 2011 9:04am
Neptune sounds like he needs to get back to basics and concentrate on the core skills such as self rescue, body dragging and board recovery. You shouldn't need to pack down, you needed to square away a self rescue effectively.

No use doing 'long runs a long way out' if you cant get back to shore. What's gonna happen if nobody was there to help you? Don't run before you can walk??

Ponder that for a second...

As a learner you should do 1 self rescue at the start of each session for the first month your on the water. This will take you 10 mins and give you the confidence you need.

I'm hoping your instructor showed you how to self rescue.

Anyways glad you got your gear back and learned a lesson..
Puetz
Puetz
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20 Dec 2011 11:10am
^^^^ + 1

so true! It wasn't til my missus had to do a self-rescue for real that she realize that I wasn't being a pedantic pr!ck for no reason! Practice makes perfect!

A simple practice can make all the difference to remind you, especially when your out wide and sh!tting yourself, you forget basics and make too many simple mistakes.

Sh!t happens and being prepared is a must. Actually, come to think about it, its been ages since I've had my son show me he can self-rescue, I think next session I'm telling him he has to show me,,,, again!

Good on-ya for the props to the dude!

cheers,

Robbie
ApatheticEnd
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20 Dec 2011 10:06am
At least you aren't the knob whos runaway kite landed on a 5 million dollar house yesterday.
Puetz
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20 Dec 2011 11:45am
... ey, what happened, do tell!?!!
Neptune
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20 Dec 2011 10:16am
NoBS said...

Neptune sounds like he needs to get back to basics and concentrate on the core skills such as self rescue, body dragging and board recovery. You shouldn't need to pack down, you needed to square away a self rescue effectively.

No use doing 'long runs a long way out' if you cant get back to shore. What's gonna happen if nobody was there to help you? Don't run before you can walk??

Ponder that for a second...

As a learner you should do 1 self rescue at the start of each session for the first month your on the water. This will take you 10 mins and give you the confidence you need.

I'm hoping your instructor showed you how to self rescue.

Anyways glad you got your gear back and learned a lesson..


Well yeah you are pointing out exactly what my mistake was yesterday. I will not go out that far anymore until I feel more confident. I practiced my self rescue straight after I got back on shore which also made me feel a bit better.

No problems with bodydragging and board recovery and all that though. It was just a very unlucky chain of events. And no, I will never go out on the water unless there are other people. Yesterday showed me that that is a wise thing to do.

I will practice the sail in more often it is probably also a matter of when it is the 'real thing' it becomes phycological.
Neptune
Neptune
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189 posts
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20 Dec 2011 10:24am
ApatheticEnd said...

At least you aren't the knob whos runaway kite landed on a 5 million dollar house yesterday.


wow what happened there? I hope this guy learned from his mistake as well.. At least my mistake didn't cause any havoc!
Puetz
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20 Dec 2011 11:58am
Neptune said...

NoBS said...

Neptune sounds like he needs to get back to basics and concentrate on the core skills such as self rescue, body dragging and board recovery. You shouldn't need to pack down, you needed to square away a self rescue effectively.

No use doing 'long runs a long way out' if you cant get back to shore. What's gonna happen if nobody was there to help you? Don't run before you can walk??

Ponder that for a second...

As a learner you should do 1 self rescue at the start of each session for the first month your on the water. This will take you 10 mins and give you the confidence you need.

I'm hoping your instructor showed you how to self rescue.

Anyways glad you got your gear back and learned a lesson..


Well yeah you are pointing out exactly what my mistake was yesterday. I will not go out that far anymore until I feel more confident. I practiced my self rescue straight after I got back on shore which also made me feel a bit better.

No problems with bodydragging and board recovery and all that though. It was just a very unlucky chain of events. And no, I will never go out on the water unless there are other people. Yesterday showed me that that is a wise thing to do.

I will practice the sail in more often it is probably also a matter of when it is the 'real thing' it becomes phycological.


... it is phycological for sure and as you have seen for yourself, a little practice will lessen little mistakes.

Its like when ever I get a new kite, instead of just riding and getting a feel for how good it may jump etc etc, I always put it in the water to check how it relaunches. If you practice and find out its characteristics while things are calm, as in, your calm, then when the sh!t hits the fan your not blinded by the situation into making mistakes. Practice all the situations you can think of and then relaunch from there. Not only will you learn the kite but it will give you confirdence. I know sh!t happens but why not minimize them.

Good on ya for the instant replay with the self-rescue straight after by the way!

cheers,

Robbie
deXtrous
deXtrous
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20 Dec 2011 1:32pm
ApatheticEnd said...

At least you aren't the knob whos runaway kite landed on a 5 million dollar house yesterday.


Awww was the poor little house okay?
dbabicwa
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WA
809 posts
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20 Dec 2011 12:57pm
NoBS said...

Neptune sounds like he needs to get back to basics and concentrate on the core skills such as self rescue, body dragging and board recovery. You shouldn't need to pack down, you needed to square away a self rescue effectively.


Hm. The kite inverted.

I would like to know what are the core skills needed when the kite inverted?

How would body dragging etc help in this situation?

Let me say and sorry about it, but I would never write this kind of suggestion when I clearly don't know how to help with the kite inversion...

I've got many kite inversion and never ever recovered a kite from it.

You can't even practice this kind of thing. Or can you?
Puetz
Puetz
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20 Dec 2011 2:48pm
... actually you can and its worth while recovering from this position and knowing how to is really worth the effort.

It takes patience and experience and in descent wind a cool head. For warned is for armed!

Actually, getting the kite to invert on purpose is really hard, you may need to get some one to help you, but practice in this situation can be invaluable. Do it in light winds first and when you get it, its fairly easy from then on!

I was shooting my mouth off one day on how I do it and I had to prove myself. We put a kite up and had a practice, I showed the guy what do I do! The guy was new to 5 line kites and we got it in all sorts of positions including inverted and with patience we got it to relaunched every time. Was really light wind at the time too so there was no danger.

Anyway, like anything, practice makes perfect!

cheers,

Robbie
RPM
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20 Dec 2011 1:19pm
dbabicwa said...

NoBS said...

Neptune sounds like he needs to get back to basics and concentrate on the core skills such as self rescue, body dragging and board recovery. You shouldn't need to pack down, you needed to square away a self rescue effectively.


Hm. The kite inverted.

I would like to know what are the core skills needed when the kite inverted?

How would body dragging etc help in this situation?

Let me say and sorry about it, but I would never write this kind of suggestion when I clearly don't know how to help with the kite inversion...

I've got many kite inversion and never ever recovered a kite from it.

You can't even practice this kind of thing. Or can you?


maybe pump your kite up harder and it wont happen as much. Soft kites invert. You can actually correct it when it happens but it takes a few goes.
dbabicwa
dbabicwa
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809 posts
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20 Dec 2011 1:40pm
^^^ ok, thx, makes sense.

My bow kite never inverted, but the other SLE or hybrid did many times, even tho it's pumped much harder.


Neptune
Neptune
WA
189 posts
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20 Dec 2011 3:37pm
yeah kite inversion is quite an issue. I always make sure my kite is as hard as I can pretty much get it. When I think it is enough I always put a few more pumps in. The reason why mine inverted was because my kite landed in the water while I still had momentum on my board. The lines slacked and, there we go.... inverted kite and my steering lines were twisted inside my power lines. ah well, lesson learned!
sk1nner
sk1nner
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181 posts
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20 Dec 2011 8:06pm
It is actually possible to fly a kite with the lines inverted, although it can be tricky to relunch them. Happened to me in a similar situation out the back at leighton.

Kite hits the water, board still has some momentum, kite rolls on its back and the lines invert. After 2-3 mins of relaunch attempts, up she goes and i gingerly ride back the 200 or so meters.

If your kite inverts (inside out) now thats a different story.
Neptune
Neptune
WA
189 posts
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20 Dec 2011 5:10pm
sk1nner said...

It is actually possible to fly a kite with the lines inverted, although it can be tricky to relunch them. Happened to me in a similar situation out the back at leighton.

Kite hits the water, board still has some momentum, kite rolls on its back and the lines invert. After 2-3 mins of relaunch attempts, up she goes and i gingerly ride back the 200 or so meters.

If your kite inverts (inside out) now thats a different story.


Yeah my mate told me that afterwards however I'm just a beginner.. didn;t really want to risk riding/dragging like that. I've heard some horror stories about these kind of things so I figured I'd rather be safe than sorry. But I'll keep it in mind for next time. (if there is a next time)
jobic
jobic
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21 Dec 2011 9:53am
If the kite is inverted and in the water, then swim toward the kite until you release the tension remaining in your steering lines. The kite should now be facing toward you (same position as when you flip the kite over after having inflated it). It's now time to pivot the kite to get back to the normal position.
You have to pull a fair amount of one of your steering lines (It will help if you swim a little bit on the opposite direction). When the kite start to rotate and both wing tips are aligned, grab the other steering line and be ready to release both at the same time as the kite will start to power up.

Kind of difficult to explain through words and a demo being the best way to demonstrate, you can ask a friend to put your kite in this position in the water (in shallow water if you can) and then practice..... Same as relaunching a kite which have fallen on the trailing edge.... You need to know what to do before heading to deep water. Those are common mistakes you may do at the beginning so if you want to avoid finding yourself in a situation where you don't know what to do, the practice before you go.

That's why I believe taking lessons in shallow water is a huge mistake!!!!
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