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Perth232
Perth232
44 posts
44 posts
12 Sep 2011 12:41pm
Need a little help guys.

My dads starting out in kitesurfing this summer, as I have only done one season so far I thought I would get the experts to comment on this.

He's 54, 76kg, 183cm, active, has windsurfed a little.

Basically I need you to list the prefect beginners kit for him-everything from harness to kite to accesories. Hes pretty safety concious, so impact vest, helmet etc would be included.

Theres no budget-I just want the top gear for him. Also where do you think the best place for him to have lessons at is? (He lives just in front of Pinnaroo Point so Im assuming somewhere close to there.)

Welcome retailers comments as well.

Thanks.
juicerider
juicerider
WA
790 posts
WA, 790 posts
12 Sep 2011 12:57pm
Go and see AKS at Scarbora, they will sort you out with gear and run lessons at Pinnarroo point.
toddws
toddws
WA
469 posts
WA, 469 posts
12 Sep 2011 2:40pm
Yeah as Juicerider said come see us at AKS, 256 Westcoast highway, scarborough we can talk through your fathers requirements, and what he does and doesn't really need.
We also operate the kite school at Pinnaroo Point, give Darren a call at the shop on (08) 9245 3884.
eppo
eppo
WA
9793 posts
WA, 9793 posts
12 Sep 2011 3:18pm

Not sound repetitive, but call AKS, they are the best around to discuss gear, they have plenty of options in gear (new and second hand), offer great after sales service and provide the most comprehensive lessons around. They make a great cup of coffee too...he he.
ezza
ezza
NSW
561 posts
NSW, 561 posts
12 Sep 2011 6:47pm
Nice one Perth232 lucky dad !
Perth232
Perth232
44 posts
44 posts
12 Sep 2011 7:19pm
Thanks guys, was after more of "your" opionion though. Just want to get some collective thoughts on this.
SugarQube
SugarQube
WA
490 posts
WA, 490 posts
12 Sep 2011 7:26pm
Got this in my E-mails today, I recon you get your dad on to this for starters unbeatable value



buyblindsonline.com.au
diginoz
diginoz
WA
317 posts
WA, 317 posts
12 Sep 2011 7:39pm
Dont listen to the above, just get sum lessons witht the school that teaches at pinnas as it's on your doorstep.mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

SugarQube
SugarQube
WA
490 posts
WA, 490 posts
12 Sep 2011 8:09pm
diginoz said...

Dont listen to the above, just get sum lessons witht the school that teaches at pinnas as it's on your doorstep.mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm




LOL ....its on your doorstep, well, thats probably too true, went past there on the WE, you better bring a bucket of sand if you want to kite there this season
BarryDawson
BarryDawson
WA
175 posts
WA, 175 posts
12 Sep 2011 8:23pm
Perth232 said...

Thanks guys, was after more of "your" opionion though. Just want to get some collective thoughts on this.


The reason you are not so far getting our opinion is that there is nowhere near enough information from you to work with. Probably because its to early to even tell which direction your Dad wants to go in this sport.

For proper opinions to be given you really need to know what Dad is wanting to achieve in the first couple of years. From there a better understanding of what is right for him can be assessed, based on this the gear offered will be something that he can progress into as this will speed up the learning process.

Its no good someone saying here I think you should get X board and match it with Y kite and use Z harness. The board might not be suited to him, he might not like the way the kite handles and the harness might not be comfortable on him.

Your Dad lives at Pinnaroo Point, then why not take advantage of that and speak to the local guys?

Best of all, it's free!

So, IMO and not wanting to sound repetitive, with the info supplied so far, go see Darren @ AKS.
PelicanPete
PelicanPete
QLD
67 posts
QLD, 67 posts
12 Sep 2011 10:26pm
Get Lots of advice, and you don't have to buy any gear till after you have had some lessons.

Make sure you get all the skills to save yourself, and get good safety awareness.
Always remember, the kite is only worth X$$'s and a repair is only $150.00 or more, so don't be afraid to ditch it if things are going wrong, you health and well being will cost a lot more if you get pasted over a rock or something.

Also make sure you are very familiar with self launching.

Be careful about all the info on the Forums, sometimes its the same person under different usernames. Or it might just be some guy winding you up...

Buy a good harness.

2nd hand gear is good for the first 12 months anyway, you don't have to buy new gear.

Anything after 2009 has good safety systems on it.
You probably won't be able to tell the difference between a lot of kites until you get a bit of experience.
Stick with popular brands as the number of kites on the water will give you an indication of what other think or find easy to use, and also good name brands are easier to sell latter on.

Also if you and your dad stick to the same style of kites, you will be able to share your quiver, and possibly use interchangeable bars. I asume that you would be on a smaller kite than he, so you could have 7, 9, & 11 meter kites and share them.

Talk to a lot of different people at the set up areas. Usually people are happy to tell you what they like about their kite, and why they bought it or prefer it.

A good all round kite is better than one that has specific qualities. Cabrina Switchblade, Slingshot Rally, Nash Park, are some that spring to mind but theres more out there

The qualities you need to look for as a learner is a simple safety system, relaunch, easy handling, and not any really fast kites and good wind range.

Know the difference between a 4 line and a 5 line kite, and which will suit you better. North 5 line kites are very safe, or have absolute depower.

There are a lot of second hand boards out there.
Foot pads and straps can be a personal item, so try lots of them. The width of you board is important as well so consider that when you by it.

Your dad may want to check his fitness and core strength, (perfectlyfitonline.com) otherwise he might do himself some damage. Either way it won't hurt if you are fitter.
Tell him not to be intimidated by all the young guys and all their tricks, just to get out there and enjoy carving, he won't hurt himself much, and at his age he has earn't the right to decide whats cool for him and what's not.

There are a lot of people out there that are older than he, and are doing it well.

The following is one site with a lot of reviews, but you can always google any gear.
http://www.sbckiteboard.com/2009_kite_reviews?news_id=753&uniqid=


BarryDawson
BarryDawson
WA
175 posts
WA, 175 posts
12 Sep 2011 8:30pm
SugarQube said...
you better bring a bucket of sand if you want to kite there this season


As soon as the seabreeze returns the sand will aswell
AKSonline
AKSonline
WA
925 posts
WA, 925 posts
12 Sep 2011 9:35pm
PM Sent to Perth232!

Thanks everyone for your support and kind words. I'm most humbled

DM
BurkeyBoy
BurkeyBoy
QLD
549 posts
QLD, 549 posts
13 Sep 2011 11:14am
Repetitive I know, but if you get everyone's opinion you will just get confused. I can see PelicanPete is trying to be helpful, but for a biginner, the sport can be mind boggling. Your dad needs to concentrate on the physical basics of the sport and rely on your trusted local kite shop for good advice. He'll soon work out what's needed after a couple of lessons. Obviously I'm not from that area, but the thumbs up for AKS can't be ignored.
eppo
eppo
WA
9793 posts
WA, 9793 posts
13 Sep 2011 9:53am
PelicanPete said...

Get Lots of advice, and you don't have to buy any gear till after you have had some lessons.

Make sure you get all the skills to save yourself, and get good safety awareness.
Always remember, the kite is only worth X$$'s and a repair is only $150.00 or more, so don't be afraid to ditch it if things are going wrong, you health and well being will cost a lot more if you get pasted over a rock or something.

Also make sure you are very familiar with self launching.

Be careful about all the info on the Forums, sometimes its the same person under different usernames. Or it might just be some guy winding you up...

Buy a good harness.

2nd hand gear is good for the first 12 months anyway, you don't have to buy new gear.

Anything after 2009 has good safety systems on it.
You probably won't be able to tell the difference between a lot of kites until you get a bit of experience.
Stick with popular brands as the number of kites on the water will give you an indication of what other think or find easy to use, and also good name brands are easier to sell latter on.

Also if you and your dad stick to the same style of kites, you will be able to share your quiver, and possibly use interchangeable bars. I asume that you would be on a smaller kite than he, so you could have 7, 9, & 11 meter kites and share them.

Talk to a lot of different people at the set up areas. Usually people are happy to tell you what they like about their kite, and why they bought it or prefer it.

A good all round kite is better than one that has specific qualities. Cabrina Switchblade, Slingshot Rally, Nash Park, are some that spring to mind but theres more out there

The qualities you need to look for as a learner is a simple safety system, relaunch, easy handling, and not any really fast kites and good wind range.

Know the difference between a 4 line and a 5 line kite, and which will suit you better. North 5 line kites are very safe, or have absolute depower.

There are a lot of second hand boards out there.
Foot pads and straps can be a personal item, so try lots of them. The width of you board is important as well so consider that when you by it.

Your dad may want to check his fitness and core strength, (perfectlyfitonline.com) otherwise he might do himself some damage. Either way it won't hurt if you are fitter.
Tell him not to be intimidated by all the young guys and all their tricks, just to get out there and enjoy carving, he won't hurt himself much, and at his age he has earn't the right to decide whats cool for him and what's not.

There are a lot of people out there that are older than he, and are doing it well.

The following is one site with a lot of reviews, but you can always google any gear.
http://www.sbckiteboard.com/2009_kite_reviews?news_id=753&uniqid=








Good info, but woh dude, his dad isn't training to be an astronaut!! Keep it simple man...Info, lessons, gear and go.
Perth232
Perth232
44 posts
44 posts
13 Sep 2011 11:25am
Thanks Pelican Pete. Really appreciate your time on that one. Will pay AKS a visit as well. Thanks again.
diginoz
diginoz
WA
317 posts
WA, 317 posts
13 Sep 2011 7:48pm
diginoz said...

Dont listen to the above, just get sum lessons witht the school that teaches at pinnas as it's on your doorstep.mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

A trainer kite wont do any harm, get the early kite skills in while its quiet.

The school will give you the advice your after, weather you have lessons or not but you need to put some lessons on the top of your wish list.( you might have picked up some bad habbits you DONT want to pass onto your dad if your teaching more than the basics)

PS pinnas is also my local

PPS JASON U UP 4 SAT LOOKS BLOIE.

eppo
eppo
WA
9793 posts
WA, 9793 posts
13 Sep 2011 7:52pm

Dont listen to the above











Which one? because it is all good advice, and you just repeated what everyone said, you don't make any sense man.



PelicanPete
PelicanPete
QLD
67 posts
QLD, 67 posts
13 Sep 2011 11:01pm
eppo said...

Good info, but woh dude, his dad isn't training to be an astronaut!! Keep it simple man...Info, lessons, gear and go.


Excuse my longwinded defense,
But.
I am not suggesting that he goes and trains for an Iron Man or any thing, but from personal experience and I do know a few people that have injured themselves due to poor core strength, (hip and lower back pain).
A mature age gentleman that maybe sits on his arse all day in an office while not being overweight may not be that fit. Unlike a 20 to 37 yo builder or brickies labourer or similar active individual.

Preparing your body with simple exercises that take about 20 minutes or more to ensure you have good strength means that you can go out and enjoy your kite sessions without causing painful soft tissue damage that can take time to heal or remedy, and mean time out of the water which can piss you off big time if all you want to do is kite at every opportunity or if you have just paid for lessons.

When you get over 50, you need to maintain.
You don't have youth on your side and the body doesn't repair as fast as it did when you were young and bullet proof, that's if it repairs at all.

Forewarned is fore armed, and it's only advice, he might be superman already.

As everybody is singing his praise, maybe ol' mate at AKS should consider adding it to his opening monologue to all the ageing thrill seekers that come looking for lessons.
tgladman
tgladman
WA
500 posts
WA, 500 posts
13 Sep 2011 9:17pm
just like to throw my 2 (AKS) cents in.

-darrens your best bet, not only cause he's close to you but mainly cause of his vast experience and yes its obvious he will stand to make a dollar from any sales BUT people recommend him for all the right reasons.

-he knows what he's talking about AND

-he wont tell you bullsh!t.
tgladman
tgladman
WA
500 posts
WA, 500 posts
13 Sep 2011 9:19pm
oh, and u might possibly be out the back one day when u crash and lose all the air outta your kite.
-this is when darren really shines!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
thanks again mate.
eppo
eppo
WA
9793 posts
WA, 9793 posts
13 Sep 2011 10:02pm
Fair enough pelican Pete good point about older blokes.
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