i got a 12mtr 07 vegas for my misses to learn with, a very tame c kite but i guess tame rymes with lame, but for a c its not too bad for a learner, quite forgiving really ( i learnt on a 14mtr torch....learnt the hard way but it pays off these days,,,mind you the first "unintentional" kite loop in 20Kt was quite spectacular from everyone elses view,,,when i finally awoke from my coma, i had more respect for the thing after that, lol) and i agree its (vegas) good for high wind level too, it handles mid 20's kts quite well without feeling overpowered at 80kg (me not the misses!) (135 x 39 board). but seemings though we are bagging them, its graphics and colour a ****e! and the valves crapped themselves on the third use (apparent factory fault)