The state of kiting safety??

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NotWal
NotWal
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4 Feb 2007 10:48pm
A few years ago kiters were droppin out of the sky like ducks in shooting season. Lofted, dragged n otherwise humiliated. The rate of attrition was like Normandy beach on D day.
I told my kids. Kiting is for people with a death wish. No you cant do it. I haven't seen or heard of any accidents for a while but then I haven't been looking. So whats the state of play with kiting safety? Just how dangerous is it? (compared to windsurfing)
Josh K
Josh K
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4 Feb 2007 10:52pm
all your dreams are made, when ur chained to the mirror with a razor blade. todays the day that all the world will see. another sunny afternoon walkin to the sounds of my favorite tune, tomorow doesnt know wat it doesnt know to soon.
goon dogg
goon dogg
QLD
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4 Feb 2007 10:57pm

Need a little time to wake up
Need a little time to wake up wake up
Need a little time to wake up
Need a little time to rest your mind
You know you should so I guess you might as well
silviu
silviu
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5 Feb 2007 1:01am
You've got your answer
This is what Kitesurfing is doing to young people
Macca Wollongong
Macca Wollongong
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5 Feb 2007 1:50pm
2 words

BOW/HYBRID KITE :P

well 3 words and a slash
Kat
Kat
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Kat Kat
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5 Feb 2007 12:23pm
you can make kite surfing as dangerous or as safe (as can be) as you fly it.

At the end of the day, if you fly in conditions that you are capable of and do not throw out tricks in conditions that are likely to cause harm, then this sport is awesome- for spectators too.

However, those accidents that previously occured were due to conditions gone wrond, ppl not knowing their gear correctly and unfortunate turn of conditions. Kite surfing is an extreme sport for its reasons, so you can not expect it to be used, so to speak, in safe conditions all the time. Ie ppl will fly in frontals and squalls etc.

Apparently more ppl are killed by falling coconuts than they are by sharks, how do you know that when you step out onto the road that you won't be hit by a bus- you get my drift

So live and have fun fun fun, and belive me, kiting is more then fun
NotWal
NotWal
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5 Feb 2007 3:07pm
So is there no actuarial data, no stats. I would have thought the insurance industry have a handle on the risk. Maybe they just decline to cover kiters?

SO what about anecdotal data. What are your personal horror stories.
tobes
tobes
NSW
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5 Feb 2007 5:02pm
If you want all the gory details, you'd better read Rick Iossi's collection of kite fatalities
http://www.kiteforum.com/phpbb/viewforum.php?f=131

In a few years of kiting I've had a few minor injuries, mostly to my feet, but I've seen a few situations that could have been fatal. After someone's been dragged through the dunes you look at all the sharp dead branches they could have been impaled on and go "phew, that was lucky".

No doubt modern gear is safer.

Safer gear, like high depower kites, does not mean that nothing can go wrong though.
silviu
silviu
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5 Feb 2007 7:40pm
quote:
Originally posted by NotWal

So is there no actuarial data, no stats. I would have thought the insurance industry have a handle on the risk. Maybe they just decline to cover kiters?

SO what about anecdotal data. What are your personal horror stories.



I still don't understand what's your point?
Do you Kitesurf or not?
Do you want to kitesurf or not?
Do you want to play with the fire, and not get burned at all?
user
user
WA
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5 Feb 2007 7:00pm
Bow kityes are safe safe safe.

The most dangerous animal in Africa is the Hippo!
NotWal
NotWal
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5 Feb 2007 8:29pm
Silviu, theres nothing mysterious. I windsurf. At one stage early in the piece I considered trying kiting. I was put off by lots of kite horror stories. I'm wondering what the state of the game is now. I'm wondering if I decide to kill myself whether kiting might be a suitable method. Currently I'm more inclined to try jumping out of a plane. Its a one off thing ... dont want to mess it up.
tobes
tobes
NSW
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5 Feb 2007 9:53pm
Kiting is the most fun way to kill myself I have found so far.

No luck yet though.

Oh well, keep on trying....
silviu
silviu
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5 Feb 2007 9:55pm
You can mess it up just by walking down the street.
Kitesurfing has got to a point at which, unless you are st**id, or overconfident (like me two monts ago), the chances to have an accident are the same like in windsurfing.
The kite have come a long way and if you will use bow kites or C-kites with 5 lines, the wind range, the de-powering capabilities and the safety gadgets (which may or may not work for you when you need them) make the sport way safer than few years ago.
This is if... the equipment is used within the specified wind/user weight limits, and a number of some other factors as: the level of knowledge and training vs what yoiu think you are, as far from the beach or other users you choose to jump/show off, how far out are you ready to go without backup, how good do you know the beach and the underwater rocks/reefs where you kitesurf.
The same applyies to windsurfing I guess.
The big gain when you switch from wind to kite surfing is the range of the wind: goes way down to 15 - 12 knots, and the range of jumps and "tricks" you have at your "disposal".
As for how many accidents and all the other stuff, it is natural as with the growt of the sport, and water users, it will be some increase in accidents, the poinbt is how you behave to keep outside the "statistics".
Hope that will get some answers to you.
Cheers and good luck with your quest.
elizabethb
elizabethb
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5 Feb 2007 9:05pm
quote:
Originally posted by NotWal

Silviu, theres nothing mysterious. I windsurf. At one stage early in the piece I considered trying kiting. I was put off by lots of kite horror stories. I'm wondering what the state of the game is now. I'm wondering if I decide to kill myself whether kiting might be a suitable method. Currently I'm more inclined to try jumping out of a plane. Its a one off thing ... dont want to mess it up.



C'mon Dave... Just try it out... once even... I can sort you out with lessons as you know

Beer after

liz B8 - Wello Kiter
Kitehard
Kitehard
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5 Feb 2007 8:34pm
Hi Dave,

When you look at the number of deaths and the chronological order in which they happened, and then compare it to the number of persons getting into or doing the sport, I think you'll find the sport is getting safer all the time.... in a big way!

In the first couple of years of kiting in Australia, there were about 2 deaths a year but there were only probably two hundred kiters in the entire country at the most at that time. Thats about 1% fatality rate per year.

Looking at it nowadays there have been, I think, only two deaths in the last three years from kiteboarding in Oz, but now there are a probably more than fifteen hundred kiters in Australia. That would be .... er .... um .... well, it would be stuff all as a percentage. (C'mon math freaks throw me a bone here)

There are several reasons, IMHO, that have contributed to the change.
1. People now want to take lessons before they buy gear.
2. People take more lessons than they used to in years gone by.
3. The quality of lessons have improved from what it used to be.
4. The equipment has become much more user friendly.
5. Safety Systems are better designed (for the most part).
6. People are better educated about safety and dangerous behaviour.
7. General safety awareness is much better.
8. The community of kiters is larger and therefor more likely to see someone about to do something wrong and step in prior to the problem.

The sport is still not a completely safe sport and it never will be, it's and extreme sport, but the statistics speak for themselves.

Good winds and be safe,

BigDasa
BigDasa
WA
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6 Feb 2007 1:10am
Overall kiting is safe providing you get lessons and take it easy, stick with experienced kiters and you will be fine.

With any sport there is a degree of risk. I have done many water sports, Sailing (Dinghy racing, Ocean racing, Coastal Cruising), Surfing (Short Board, Long Board, Wave Ski), Windsurfing (Slalom, Wave), Wakeboarding and finally kite surfing.

And in all I have had days when I though mmm this could be it .

I have suffered many injuires and dramas in all sports, but only when pushing it to the limit. At the limit if something goes wrong you may get away with it and you may not .

All my injuries and dramas have always occured when I was pushing it to the limit and some thing broke or the tide/wind changed etc

Really kiting is a very safe sport I won't say which I think was the most dangerous, because I am still doing it. And it's not kiting
NotWal
NotWal
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8 Feb 2007 12:21am
Well thats a good bunch of answers folks, thanks. It seems to be a lot safer than it used to be, and theres a lot of "how to" data around.
Maybe its time.... to speak to Elizabeth.
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