To Roll or Fold your kite up

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SaveTheWhales
SaveTheWhales
WA
1912 posts
WA, 1912 posts
6 Mar 2009 3:20am
Which do you think will help with longevity of kite & bladders ???

Ive noticed that there are very few people who take the time to fold there kite up properly - they just grab one end and roll or 'screw' it up as tight as possible !!! if you really think about it - what stress does that put on the bladder / valve connections combined with days / weeks on end sitting in the bag.

All rubber loses its properties under stress after a very short amount of time, weather not included !!!! (weve all seen what happens to the basic rubber band after a few months... )

tightlines
tightlines
WA
3509 posts
WA, 3509 posts
6 Mar 2009 3:55am
I blew a few struts/ bladders this season on kites just over 12 months old and they all went in the same place about 1/3 of the way up from the trailing edge.
I usually roll the LE of my kite up from both tips to the centre and then fold the struts over 1/3 of the way up from the trailing edge then over again, so I am sure that this is why the struts blew as it is right where it folds.
Not sure what I could have done to prevent this though unless I left the bag extended and just rolled up the LE and didn't fold the struts or just tried to vary the spot where I fold them a little.
My kites got a lot of use and I generally pump them up rock hard.
Although I loved the kites to fly, I was disappionted with what appears to be weak point in the design.
I am now riding a different brand of kite so hopefully I will have more luck with these, time will tell.
webby7
webby7
QLD
145 posts
QLD, 145 posts
6 Mar 2009 7:59am
I'm not sure if it applies to kites but with our sales it was always believed that folding was best as long as you folded it the same way and at the same place each time. I roll my kites up though and haven't had a problem yet touch wood.
pfr
pfr
NSW
156 posts
pfr pfr
NSW, 156 posts
6 Mar 2009 9:42am
leave your struts inflated. constantly shoving your fully deflated kite into a bag that is never big enough isn't good for your kite. eventually you will put your fist through the canopy while shoving it in. it probably isn't the best thing for your struts to be inflated all the time but i havent had a problem with them yet after 3 years.
cRAZY Canuk
cRAZY Canuk
NSW
2528 posts
NSW, 2528 posts
6 Mar 2009 10:20am
webby7 said...

I'm not sure if it applies to kites but with our sales it was always believed that folding was best as long as you folded it the same way and at the same place each time. I roll my kites up though and haven't had a problem yet touch wood.


I gather your talking about sails and not sales. But that's wrong, continually folding sail material in the same location causes a hard crease which can cause the fibres in the material to break.

Roll Roll Roll
GalahOnTheBay
GalahOnTheBay
NSW
4188 posts
NSW, 4188 posts
6 Mar 2009 1:50pm
webby7 said...

I'm not sure if it applies to kites but with our sales it was always believed that folding was best as long as you folded it the same way and at the same place each time


Doesn't that repeatedly wear / stress exactly the same spot?

Jimmyz
Jimmyz
NSW
446 posts
NSW, 446 posts
6 Mar 2009 2:04pm
I generally roll my kite up as to not stress the same spots (as above).

I reckon that compressing the kite to a minimum is important, luckily I have large bags. While it may seem lazy compared to folding a kite, that does necessarily mean its the wrong thing to do.

I do try to ensure that there is as little sand as possible in the kite.
Ben Heath
Ben Heath
WA
14 posts
WA, 14 posts
6 Mar 2009 12:20pm
The Kite Dr explained it to me a couple of years ago as being better to fold than roll. He said that the rolling is more likely to pinch the bladder whereas folding maintains the shape.

I figured the man who has done a large percentage of repairs in WA for a LONG time would probably have a fair idea.

Cheers,

Ben.
otania
otania
WA
18 posts
WA, 18 posts
6 Mar 2009 12:33pm
I fold my kite but when it comes to getting it into the bag I'm stuffed lol as my bag is a little too small and I end up stuffing it in.
Obviously a woman didn't design it or the bag would have been bigger!
unclesid
unclesid
QLD
40 posts
QLD, 40 posts
6 Mar 2009 1:37pm


I scrunch!!!!
Ben De Jonge
Ben De Jonge
WA
819 posts
WA, 819 posts
6 Mar 2009 12:40pm
You guys worry too much - is this really an issue?

Roll it gently, treat it gently.

Like a woman.

GalahOnTheBay
GalahOnTheBay
NSW
4188 posts
NSW, 4188 posts
6 Mar 2009 3:05pm
Ben De Jonge said...

Roll it gently, treat it gently.
Like a woman.


Oh dear - here we go...
Fooosh
Fooosh
WA
563 posts
WA, 563 posts
6 Mar 2009 3:22pm
Ben De Jonge said...

You guys worry too much - is this really an issue?

Roll it gently, treat it gently.

Like a woman.




Please clarify: Am I to BE like a woman or should I treat the KITE like a woman?
webby7
webby7
QLD
145 posts
QLD, 145 posts
6 Mar 2009 4:41pm
cRAZY Canuk said...

webby7 said...

I'm not sure if it applies to kites but with our sales it was always believed that folding was best as long as you folded it the same way and at the same place each time. I roll my kites up though and haven't had a problem yet touch wood.


I gather your talking about sails and not sales. But that's wrong, continually folding sail material in the same location causes a hard crease which can cause the fibres in the material to break.

Roll Roll Roll
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We always found that if you folded the sail at the same spot both directions it would wear through a lot quicker then if you only folded it the same way. if you folded it the same spot each time it would cause just the one weak spot verses creating 100 if you folded in different spots each time
Coose
Coose
VIC
229 posts
VIC, 229 posts
6 Mar 2009 6:17pm
fold it don't roll it. that's the motto i run by preserves the material, with the oolder c kite with the rods in them it was advised to roll them but now with the new sle and bows you should fold them, keeps them crisper for longer and the material gets less wear.

Kitesplosh
Kitesplosh
VIC
123 posts
VIC, 123 posts
9 Mar 2009 12:34pm
Ben De Jonge said...


Like a woman.




Tried that last weekend and it doesn't work. Eventually I had to get up and get my own beer.
newo
newo
WA
250 posts
WA, 250 posts
9 Mar 2009 10:45am
I roll so that when I inflate the kite it just unrolls as I pump.
lostinlondon
lostinlondon
VIC
1159 posts
VIC, 1159 posts
9 Mar 2009 1:01pm
As long as you are kind to your kite, I can't imagine it makes much difference!

Yacht sails are concertina folded so you can lay them out on the deck, attach the sheets, attach the clew and feed the head into the track so you hoist them straight up the forestay or the mast track, not to protect them from wear. (I have worked foredeck on keel yachts in races). If you had to unroll the sail before you could hoist it, the bloke on the foredeck would have to contend with a mass of unfurled sail! It's a tricky enough job staying on your feet, being yelled at by the skipper and doing eveything else without having to contend with controlling metres of unfurled sail. In terms of storage, its harder to put in a sail bag that way.

If you are using your gear enough, wear and damage from storage will be the least of your worries!
NJPornstar
NJPornstar
WA
790 posts
WA, 790 posts
9 Mar 2009 11:15am
Its not really a good idea to roll your kite up real small. This is when bladders twist and stuff. Better to roll the kite up with a small amount of air in it. This will keep the bladders in place.

Im generally rolling up in a fair bit of wind and what I find is the quickest most efficient way is posted here
http://www.newkiteboarding.com/latest/index.php/topic,52.0.html

Rolling wing tip to wing tip rolls sand into the kite and its a mission doing it when its windy.

Folding the kite in half keeps the sand on the outside of your kite.
In half is only half the job to roll it up too.
Gorgo
Gorgo
VIC
5124 posts
VIC, 5124 posts
9 Mar 2009 4:22pm
I roll from the tips to the middle, neatly but fairly loosely. I like to arrange the leading edge so it rolls smoothly.

Once in the middle I pat the rolled sections flat, squeeze out any remaining air, then fold from the ends towards the middle. It then fits neatly into the bag.

My kites always look neat and crisp.

I used to fold the tips in before rolling and ended up with havt wrinkle in the tips so I turned to neatly rolling. The advantage of rolling before folding is that you avoid always folding in the same place.

I find the worst things for wear and tear on kites are abrasion against hard surfaces and putting kites away wet and sandy, and leaving inflated kites sitting in the wind on the beach for long periods.

The biggest single cause of damage is carrying from the beach to the grass packup area when the wind is not strong enough and the kite gets caught on branches and rocks and pavement and stuff. In those circumstances it is best to deflate at least the LE on the beach.
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