To Sheet in or Out ? To be powered up or not?

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Choady
Choady
NSW
72 posts
NSW, 72 posts
17 Feb 2008 12:22pm
Ive got a question. When body dragging upwind, should I depower and/or sheet out to get the kite further to the edge of the window for better results? Or should Sheet in and be powered up?

I remember my instructor telling me to depower when body dragging upwind for better results when I took lessons last year. If this is in fact the case, when kiting upwind should I also be depowered and/or sheeting out for better results?

Also, I find that when travelling left foot forward kiting upwind I make a huge amount of ground when compared to travelling right foot forward. I seem to only be able to hold ground (or slowly move downwind) when travelling right foot forward. Any techniques to help fix this? I certainly find left foot forward always more comfortable and easier.
bigmark100
bigmark100
NSW
584 posts
NSW, 584 posts
18 Feb 2008 11:27am
i think the most important thing when body dragging upwind is to do it as soon as you hit the water, any time spent - depowering, or doing anything else means time you will be moving away from your board, im normally back at my board within 2 tacks - I dont change the depower or anything else about the kite.

sunseeker
sunseeker
QLD
1203 posts
QLD, 1203 posts
18 Feb 2008 11:17am
For bodydragging upwind, as with kiting upwind on a board, you need to have a balance between having your kite as far into the window as possible and some body speed through the water. So power up a bit to start and then sheet out as you get some speed through the water. One hand on the bar, the other hand in the water acting as a rudder.

With riding switch, in the beginning, your natural way is going to be easier going upwind. When you are riding left foot forward, make a mental imprint of where each body part is and how much pressure you feel in each muscle and how your hips are pointing. Then try to re-create this feeling when riding the other way.
Adz
Adz
WA
120 posts
Adz Adz
WA, 120 posts
18 Feb 2008 10:51am
Choady said...


Also, I find that when travelling left foot forward kiting upwind I make a huge amount of ground when compared to travelling right foot forward. I seem to only be able to hold ground (or slowly move downwind) when travelling right foot forward. Any techniques to help fix this? I certainly find left foot forward always more comfortable and easier.


Maybe you've already taken this into consideration? But usually the wind is never perfectly across shore. The end illusion is you make more ground up the beach on one tack than the other. You should be comparing your progress to the angle of the wind coming in and not the beach....bit hard to do I guess
moon waxing
moon waxing
WA
313 posts
WA, 313 posts
18 Feb 2008 10:57am
Checkout

kiteforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=2329655&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=body+drag+upwind&start=0

Plenty of tips and opinions for body dragging upwind (not going as fast as your board downwind)
Dawn Patrol
Dawn Patrol
WA
1991 posts
WA, 1991 posts
18 Feb 2008 11:24am
When i learnt kite upwind I find looking over my shoulder and to look where i want to go helped signifcantly. Not looking where you are heading, and thinking about going somewhere else.

I was told to sheet out a fair bit to body drag upwind. Same with kiteing upwind. The more depowered the kite is the further to the edge of the window it sits. And the easier it will pull you upwind.

With bodydragging up wind, as long as you hold you ground. The board will eventually drift down past you for an easy pick up.
bert77
bert77
VIC
35 posts
VIC, 35 posts
18 Feb 2008 4:29pm
A tip I was given about body dragging upwind was to make sure you're starting with the kite at 12 oclock and bring it down the side of the window. I was placing the kite too far into the window and ended up getting dragged downwind, but when I concentrated on stopping the kite at 12 and bringing it down the side, it made heaps of difference....
Choady
Choady
NSW
72 posts
NSW, 72 posts
18 Feb 2008 11:26pm
Adz said...

Maybe you've already taken this into consideration? But usually the wind is never perfectly across shore. The end illusion is you make more ground up the beach on one tack than the other. You should be comparing your progress to the angle of the wind coming in and not the beach....bit hard to do I guess



Thanks Adz - now you mention it - it makes perfet sense thinking about where the wind was coming from- not perfect cross shore.

Still feels weird tacking upwind heading right compared to left but. I dont have too many problems body dragging upwind, Im just trying to refine the technique to get maximum results.

Thanks for everyones posts - helpful indeed.
Fooosh
Fooosh
WA
563 posts
WA, 563 posts
19 Feb 2008 1:40am
1. Start bodydragging quickly
2. Move the kite slowly
3. Make sure you are travelling thru the water at a reasonable speed (light winds need to fly the kite up/down a bit)
4. Keep your legs and arm straight to have the longest edge. Point upwind but not too far (depends on speed, eg like if you were on your board)
5. Go for about 20sec each way (counting makes it less boring). Keep the kite higher if your head is going under waves, etc.
6. When changing tack, bring the kite back up slowly to 12. Maintain your rigid body edge until you lose speed and swap sides. Look out for your board at this time but make sure you don't move the kite too quick
7. If your board is footstraps up, it will be quicker to get to it (it drifts down wind faster)
8. If near the beach, body drag to beach and wait / walk upwind for a bit then go back in for the board when it has drifted slightly down wind to you.
9. If the kite stalls and moves downwind in the window, sheet out slightly till it rises / comes back to the edge of the window. (sheeting in makes it worse)
Hope this helps!
vader
vader
NSW
418 posts
NSW, 418 posts
19 Feb 2008 12:00pm
i`ll just add, that if you fall or crash and your kite is already to one side drag to that side straight away rather than bringing it up to 12 you`ll save your self alot of ground.
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