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deXtrous
deXtrous
NSW
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6 Oct 2009 8:33pm
Hey couldn't you easily just connect or tie a thin rope or something around one foot strap, or the middle handle, to put around your arm/shoulder when you need to relaunch kite? Your board would be connected to you and then you're able to use both hands to relaunch again. Easy as!

Just a thought anyway, haven't hit the water yet so I apologise if it sounds stupid


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Smedg
Smedg
NSW
836 posts
NSW, 836 posts
6 Oct 2009 8:41pm
a super short leash is considered by some to be the best option as far as wearing a leash goes. I would never wear any kind though. way rather find the board later than be dumped and summersaulted whilst tied to it and having possibly loose kite lines.

There are dangers either way. I'm sure we can all agree that in the long run we would all be better off wearing one of those 'bear suits' i saw on beyond 2000 as a kid. that thing was sick. mobility may have been slightly restricted though.

Before we go any further................

www.seabreeze.com.au/.../Should-I-use-a-board-leash_903067.aspx

in case you haven't read yet.
rhinoman
rhinoman
QLD
362 posts
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6 Oct 2009 7:44pm
sounds like trouble just learn to body drag really well
Morg
Morg
QLD
129 posts
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6 Oct 2009 8:27pm
deXtrous said...

Hey couldn't you easily just connect or tie a thin rope or something around one foot strap, or the middle handle, to put around your arm/shoulder when you need to relaunch kite? Your board would be connected to you and then you're able to use both hands to relaunch again. Easy as!

Just a thought anyway, haven't hit the water yet so I apologise if it sounds stupid


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You meant just to hang on to when relaunching right? If you have the time to put the loop over your shoulder or wrist why not just shove your feet in the foot straps, relaunch and take off?
deXtrous
deXtrous
NSW
451 posts
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6 Oct 2009 10:13pm
I don't mean to wear it while your standing, just as soon as you eat ****, grab the board and hoop it around your arm, them relaunch and you don't have to chase your board.

totally theorising here lol..
kitebored
kitebored
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6 Oct 2009 10:20pm
deXtrous said...

I don't mean to wear it while your standing, just as soon as you eat ****, grab the board and hoop it around your arm, them relaunch and you don't have to chase your board.

totally theorising here lol..


Another theory: Use the foot straps to connect the board to ya feet
high flyer
high flyer
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6 Oct 2009 7:29pm
Here's another crazy suggestion
dutchy1985
dutchy1985
213 posts
213 posts
6 Oct 2009 8:08pm
Bodydragging to your board is pretty easy. I eat sh!t all the time and then chase it around. If not drag to the beach, sprint upwind, and go for round 2. Try not to miss it on round 2 or you'll feel like a dumbass
Rhys McClintock
Rhys McClintock
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6 Oct 2009 11:15pm
I vote you 'hit the water', and actually see what kiting is like first... Then come and share your crazy idea's with us
Gorgo
Gorgo
VIC
5125 posts
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7 Oct 2009 12:02am
You want the board on your feet when you are relaunching. It gives you something to push against to tension the lines which is what you need to make the kite fly.
Charl dv
Charl dv
WA
2485 posts
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6 Oct 2009 9:11pm
high flyer said...

Here's another crazy suggestion



a backfull binding? thats just gay enough that it might actually work
KnutH
KnutH
VIC
427 posts
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7 Oct 2009 1:37am
If you don't like body dragging, the Ocan Rodeo GoJoe might help:
Burls
Burls
209 posts
209 posts
6 Oct 2009 11:02pm
Gorgo said...

You want the board on your feet when you are relaunching. It gives you something to push against to tension the lines which is what you need to make the kite fly.


Mmmm..... When I'm relaunching, my board is quite often in another time zone.
I hate that........ (A homing device would be helpful sometimes)

However, far worse is a board in the head (after it has stretched its leash to the end of its existence, before rapidly making its way back to you.)
Leash = Bad.
Upwind body dragging technique = Good.

I do see what deXtrous is getting at though. A loop you can put your arm through to keep the board nearby while you deal with a kite problem (Before you're riding). I've been in this type of situation before on a beach which was a bit sheltered from the wind and notoriously gusty for the launch. Kite suddenly doing a Hindenburg, board getting washed away, and not enough arms to deal with everything going on. Get kite back under control, chase board way down the beach, and walk back up to desired launch spot, try again before next possible lull - not fun.

deXtrous: Generally one hand for the bar, one for the board until she's on your feet, and time on the water, you'll be right mate.
Fooosh
Fooosh
WA
563 posts
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6 Oct 2009 11:09pm
Yes it is. How do you swim? Or do you never do 'unhooked' moves? If you do, maybe you should attach your kite to you with some thin red string

high flyer said...

Here's another crazy suggestion



Fooosh
Fooosh
WA
563 posts
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6 Oct 2009 11:13pm
Seriously tho, I do have a bit of string and a clip I use when I go far out. If I have to self rescue, it makes it easier to keep the board close. But for reasons mentioned here and elsewhere, I wouldn't use that if my kite was powered up.


rhinoman
rhinoman
QLD
362 posts
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7 Oct 2009 1:53am
how does someone get twenty post and not have been on the water dont worry about keeping it close lets see if you can stop spinning when you get it on your feet stop with ideas and first learn how to get up stop posting and start practicle training and not verbal training
milko
milko
NSW
604 posts
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7 Oct 2009 10:06am
Critical bunch of tossers aren't they deXtrous..
lostinlondon
lostinlondon
VIC
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7 Oct 2009 10:38am
deXtrous said...



Just a thought anyway, haven't hit the water yet so I apologise if it sounds stupid




Apology accepted!

Since you are a learner you are going to have to get used to the concept of a lot of body dragging pretty fast. You will find that, early on, you really don't want your board close to you at all when you are relaunching. As you get better, you don't tend to dump your kite so much or, when you eat it, you can flick the board off your feet and grab it before being dragged too far away from it.

Thin rope sound like rope burn or lacerations to me mate.
bigmark100
bigmark100
NSW
584 posts
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7 Oct 2009 10:42am
if you have a problem relaunching, and the kite drops into the power, or worse does a loop... and you are tethered to your board....... its very likely going to turn nasty.

Body dragging is seriously so easy. Watch any decent kiter out there.. if they lose their board, they will usually be back with it in minutes...
(unless there is an outgoing tide or something)
pfr
pfr
NSW
156 posts
pfr pfr
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7 Oct 2009 11:18am
The kites these days relaunch that easily there's no need to worry about a board leash. When you stack you automatically fall out of your foot straps and end up around 20 meters downwind. How do you expect to attatch your leash if you are 20 meters away from your board. Your leash method may come in useful if the wind stops and you need to swim in with the kite.
Smedg
Smedg
NSW
836 posts
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7 Oct 2009 11:37am
deXtrous said...

I don't mean to wear it while your standing, just as soon as you eat ****, grab the board and hoop it around your arm, them relaunch and you don't have to chase your board.

totally theorising here lol..


Yep. you won't think that is a good idea once you've kited. not practical at all. Just try to enjoy body dragging and fetching your board. They are important skills. It won't be long before chasing your board will be easy as.

If you are in the surf, I suggest relaunching your kite (if possible) should be your first priority in most situations.
Kitehard
Kitehard
WA
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7 Oct 2009 9:05am
Dental re-modelling by leash.

Enjoy!

KH






Air2Air
Air2Air
QLD
10 posts
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7 Oct 2009 11:45am
leashes are bad news,

i tried a reel leash a few times when learning, i found that if the kite was powered up and pulling me, the board would sometimes react and get pulled under water, (submarining ) and leaving the kiter getting caught in the middle trying to stay afloat and struggling to breath not to mention if the board springs back and takes you out altogether. Needless to say I got rid of it straight away and learnt how to body drag properly. just be careful in river mouths on tidal movements...
rhinoman
rhinoman
QLD
362 posts
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7 Oct 2009 11:46am
THIS SAYS IT ALL
Kitehard said...

Dental re-modelling by leash.

Enjoy!

KH









Supersane
Supersane
NSW
174 posts
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7 Oct 2009 1:11pm
"Your leash method may come in useful if the wind stops and you need to swim in with the kite."

This is what I though as well. I've had to self rescue a few times when gear has failed and a couple of times I've had to ditch the board, sort the kite, self rescue then swim back out for the board. A spare "leash" to clip on to the board to free up both hands with you while your sorting out the kite would have made life a lot easier.
mikeb
mikeb
QLD
126 posts
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7 Oct 2009 12:13pm
bigmark100 said...



Body dragging is seriously so easy. Watch any decent kiter out there.. if they lose their board, they will usually be back with it in minutes...
(unless there is an outgoing tide or something)



Just my 2 cents, even if your in an outgoing tide, which you will experience kiting in any rivermouth the key is to stay in the water near your board, its the moving carpet theory. if you and your board are both in say 3kn of current you will be moving together, if you drag yourself out of the channel into only 1kn then the problem occurs, now your board is moving out to sea faster than you are. Key here is stay close to your board doing little body drags and you will get back to your board, the upside is now your 50m upwind of where you started and you can do a series of jumps to get yourself back to where you lost your board initially.
Fooosh
Fooosh
WA
563 posts
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7 Oct 2009 2:03pm
^ NAh! If the current is taking your board upwind faster than you can body drag...

you'll need a friendly kiter / windsurfer / etc to get it for ya.

Eg with strong winds, and a board lying with straps down, you may not be able to body drag back up to it.

Or offshore / surf conditions.

Need to choose based on conditions. Early on, instructors, forum of more experienced people, etc would be good for advice on how to choose. Keep posting deX, don't worry about the abusive people - always some around! And enjoy kiting... hope you get good quick!
NSW, 4382 posts
7 Oct 2009 8:34pm
Supersane said...

"Your leash method may come in useful if the wind stops and you need to swim in with the kite."

This is what I though as well. I've had to self rescue a few times when gear has failed and a couple of times I've had to ditch the board, sort the kite, self rescue then swim back out for the board. A spare "leash" to clip on to the board to free up both hands with you while your sorting out the kite would have made life a lot easier.


You've just reminded me to attach a second leash to my harness, since I got a new one.
I normally have 2 standard kite leashes on my harness, just in case I need to sort out a downed kite and keep my board close.
I've also used the spare leash to tow in lost boards, kites and kiters.
I never attach any leash to my board, see kitehards pic as to why.
We used to sell the reel leash but dropped it because its just an accident waiting to happen.
Learning to body drag properly is the only way!!

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve

Thomo
Thomo
WA
204 posts
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7 Oct 2009 8:57pm
We all agree kite board leashes can are bad news, but when you are learning keeping the board with you is a bonus and increases time getting on your board and the learning curve.

However there is a way to have a leash and be safe...I did this while I was learning was to attach to your harrness ring 10 very small cable ties and hook the leash to one of them.

If you happen to come off the as we all did while learning and the board stayed in close. If you have a big wipe out the cable tie will break and then attach the leash to the next one and off you go...

As the kiter gains more expierence on the board get rid of the leash and start to body drag.

Just my 2 cents and it does work!!

mattyjee
mattyjee
WA
575 posts
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7 Oct 2009 11:12pm
I don't get it. 90% of my stacks I manage to keep the board on my feet. In that 10%, at least half of the time i am still able to grab it and put it on my feet before relaunching.

Whats the big deal? Keeping the board on your feet will make relaunching easier as you can put more tension in the lines. Why the **** would you try to hold onto it with some sort of ropie thing while you're worrying about a bar and four/five other ropie things attached to it.

And if you're kicking your board off during a stack then you're just a douche. Jam those feet in nice and tight...
mikeb
mikeb
QLD
126 posts
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8 Oct 2009 9:43am
Fooosh said...

^ NAh! If the current is taking your board upwind faster than you can body drag...

if you are in the body of water which is moving your board, you WILL move together, imagine standing on a train travelling at 100km an hour, you drop your keys, you and the keys are travelling together so its like being still. So if in dead calm water you can body drag back to your board, so you will be able too in a current, as long as you stay in the current with your board. Here on the sunny coast we have 3 amazing tidal rivermouths and rarely do people lose their board unless they have had a wipeout of epic proportions and take several minutes to sort themselves, or panic and drag out of the current. like i said its rare and then there is 99% of the time a friendly kiter who grabs the board and throws it on the beach.
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