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OutCold
OutCold
WA
21 posts
WA, 21 posts
17 Nov 2005 3:45pm
Greetings forum.

I am fairly new to the sport, but HAVE had lessons and have had a bit of experience kiting before todays incident.

I had grabbed a mate and we headed down to melville water around 1pm to have a kite. The wind had just picked up, so it was looking to be an awesome day.

However, after launching, the kite seemed to be well powered, and i lost control and crashed it........ no biggie.

However, on attempt 2, the same happened, except i was dragged approx 20m onto the shore, stopping maybe a metre away from the scrubs etc. The kite had conveniently landed at the feet of a very understanding pedestrian, whom graciously accepted my numerous apologies.

Im unsure exactly what i did. I definately launched unhooked, and am quite sure I let go of the bar fairly early on in the drag, yet i continued to be dragged for several metres. After finally recovering myself, with the kite ready to launch again, i grabbed onto a centre line and walked up to the kite, which was flapping around crazily regardless of what i was doing.

The whole point of this ramble is for a relatively new kiter to get some feedback on what you pros reckon I did wrong. As i understand it, you launch the kite kinda near the edge of the window, and slowly bring it up to 12. This did not seem to work today. And my cuts and bruises are testament to the fact that releasing the bar on a standard 4 line naish bar does not properly depower the kite.

All views are welcome
Im totally open to advice
Cheers

PS: cheers to the two guys who came over to check if i was orrite. Even if i did feel like a bit of a tool.
wal269
wal269
WA
718 posts
WA, 718 posts
17 Nov 2005 3:48pm
Get more lessons
bondo
bondo
QLD
699 posts
QLD, 699 posts
17 Nov 2005 6:02pm
if the kite didnt depower you need to lengthen the distance from your bar to the stopper ball on the line the leash connects to. adjust it incrementally in lighter wind with a friend assisting you to test it.


next time you're at the beach, say hi to someone who knows what they are doing and ask if the will just check your setup, to make sure it looks ok to them.

user
user
WA
1140 posts
WA, 1140 posts
17 Nov 2005 4:05pm
Are you hooking ths lines up right ?
carbine
carbine
WA
1450 posts
WA, 1450 posts
17 Nov 2005 4:07pm
Ok, you launched unhooked with out the kite being depowered.

You got dragged because you were over powered.

You flew the kite erratically because you were being dragged.

You dropped the bar and it depowered, (it still pulls and will flap around).




You should be able to determine if the kite is pulling to much when the person gives you the launch. Dont fly the kite up straight away. Get the person whos launching you to walk the kite out, so you dont get dragged into the road and launch it from the otherside. Get another lessons using your own kite.


A lesson on a 5m kite and 10m lines doesnt count as a lesson.

You need a real kite and real wind.


The whole point of this ramble is for a relatively new kiter to get some feedback on what you pros reckon I did wrong. As i understand it, you launch the kite kinda near the edge of the window, and slowly bring it up to 12. This did not seem to work today. And my cuts and bruises are testament to the fact that releasing the bar on a standard 4 line naish bar does not properly depower the kite.



If your not 100% sure of what to do I don't think your ready. A 12m kite in 20knots is dangerous. Death is a very real possibility if you dont know what you are doing.
airhead
airhead
WA
814 posts
WA, 814 posts
17 Nov 2005 4:15pm
the launch area at melville is hazardous at the best of times (tends to be quite gusty). ideally launch with the kite over the water that way if it all goes belly up you'll be dragged into the water and not onto the road

of course this requires your "kite betty" to get his/her feet wet and if they've just had their nails done they might not appreciate it much

PS the next few days are far from ideal for newbies. use the WAKSA CLEAR principles http://www.waksa.org.au/safe-kiting-guidelines/
Cooky
Cooky
WA
148 posts
WA, 148 posts
17 Nov 2005 4:38pm
Why launch unhooked? When you're unhooked your kite is fully powered. Launch unhooked, it's much safer and much easier.
Juddy
Juddy
WA
1103 posts
WA, 1103 posts
17 Nov 2005 4:41pm
Out Cold,

i too am a newbie to all of this. fundamental point i've learnt - know your limits (i'm saying this after 2 weekends worth of lessons & at the bodydrag stage - so apologies if i'm being a bit arrogant). Saw guys up at Pinnaroo last Sunday flying 9m kites & that was ken mental!!

Hope the bruises heal quick
GalahOnTheBay
GalahOnTheBay
NSW
4188 posts
NSW, 4188 posts
17 Nov 2005 9:10pm
Originally posted by Cooky

Why launch unhooked? When you're unhooked your kite is fully powered. Launch unhooked, it's much safer and much easier.


umm, you use the trim strap to depower the kite but still allow it to be steerable. You all know how much trim to pull in on each kite you have to do that right?

If you launch unhooked you let go if it gets sketchy, and everyone is fine. you only need to get your ass kicked once lanching hooked in and you will ALWAYS lanched unhooked.
freeflyfreak
freeflyfreak
WA
74 posts
WA, 74 posts
17 Nov 2005 6:50pm
my advice.

forget melville. go to the ocean. its a lot bigger and there are no trees. get lessons until u are confident launching a kite. these things can hurt u fAST.

after all that. enjoy
gruezi
gruezi
WA
3464 posts
WA, 3464 posts
17 Nov 2005 7:57pm
airhead is 100 spot on. Conditions in Perth at the moment are not for learning AND Melville is NOT, I repeat NOT the place to be until you have learned a few basics....for safety sake go to the ocean mate.
waveslave
waveslave
WA
4263 posts
WA, 4263 posts
17 Nov 2005 8:10pm
Yeah, I agree Gruezi.....>> go to the ocean.
The wind will be even stronger there.
The wind has been evil for kiting lately.
OutCold never mentioned the size of kite he was flying ?
He's not flying a fat arse 15m in these conditions, is he ??
17 Nov 2005 8:21pm
u just sed luching unhooked the kite is full powerd dont do that then after that u sed lunch unhooked it is much safer easier
Originally posted by Cooky

Why launch unhooked? When you're unhooked your kite is fully powered. Launch unhooked, it's much safer and much easier.
HungLong
HungLong
WA
859 posts
WA, 859 posts
17 Nov 2005 11:01pm
Originally posted by gruezi

airhead is 100 spot on. Conditions in Perth at the moment are not for learning AND Melville is NOT, I repeat NOT the place to be until you have learned a few basics....for safety sake go to the ocean mate.


Thats utter bulsheit nick ! Melville is the best place to learn in Perth... The ocean is phuked, too rough !

Melville has pretty constant x-onshore condidtions, with a loooong sandy beach ending in a bay to get out at !. Ok the it's gusty, big deal, teaches you to fly your kite better...

Biggest tip of all, is if in doubt ASK ?, ask the guy's/girl's around you !... Walk out into the river and learn to fly your kite, dont hang around close to shore where you can get hurt... Find a crash buddy !
carbine
carbine
WA
1450 posts
WA, 1450 posts
17 Nov 2005 11:34pm
Originally posted by mitchell_12yearoldkiter

u just sed luching unhooked the kite is full powerd dont do that then after that u sed lunch unhooked it is much safer easier


What the fo.


Stay in school.
jan
jan
WA
1119 posts
jan jan
WA, 1119 posts
18 Nov 2005 12:06am
i prefer to launch hooked in but with no camel dick or permanent fixing to the kite

you have far better control of the kite hooked in

i don't raise the kite on launch, i hover it say 1-2m (at most), if somethings going wrong i can dive the kite at the ground and throw the bar. if the kites rising without my input i can throw the bar or throw the release (its a naish chicken loop, you grab and push away)

self launching with a sanded wingtip not hooked in sucks, half the time at the beach im doing self launches... i blame one pump :(
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