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wrex
wrex
86 posts
86 posts
20 Jan 2007 2:26pm
Hey Guys,

Just switched over from foils to LEI'S and am unsure of which points to attach my front and back lines.
I have a 10 and 14 best nemisis. For an intermediate rider which knots should i be attaching to, the ones nearest the kite or the one furtherest away. I would like just the "average setting" for starters. Thanks
azza
azza
1338 posts
1338 posts
20 Jan 2007 2:46pm
If you have to ask this question, I will assume that you don't know how your bar and lines are already set.

Tie your line ends to a solid object, a tow-bar or pole is good, and run your lines out taught. Whilst pulling evenly on your bar and chicken-loop, the bar should be about 2/3 (two thirds) of the way from the top of the depower line. ie, about 5cm from the bottom knot/ball/QR for most kites. This is also the ideal time to make sure your line lengths are equal. Adjust your line lengths accordingly.

When your bar and lines are set correctly, rig your kite on the bottom knots of the rear lines and the top knots of the front lines (if it has knots on the front at all). Have someone (kite savvy) assist your launch, and ask them nicely to hang around to catch you immediately if necessary. Try flying the kite overhead to test this setting to see how powered you are. Land the kite and adjust the knots up (towards the kite) on the rear lines if you are underpowered. If this doesn't give you enough power then move the front lines down (away from the kite) as well.

This is the "safer" way of determining how powerful your new kite is, in the given wind, for your weight etc.

Some people would argue that it is easier/quicker to just go straight for the center knots and work from there... but do you really want to be tied to an overpowered kite that you're not familiar with?


PS. If you go to a kite manufacturers' website, you should be able to download a manual for a kite. The manual should have pictures that will help the description.
wrex
wrex
86 posts
86 posts
20 Jan 2007 2:56pm
Thanks azza went to best website before posting but their site shows the 3 knots down near the bar and a little confusing. I have flown these kites on several occasions with no real problems using the middle knots every time but just want to be sure.

azza
azza
1338 posts
1338 posts
20 Jan 2007 2:56pm
This might be some help to you...

www.bestkiteboarding.com/en-us/gear/accessories/

Have I just gone pimp?
NSW, 4382 posts
21 Jan 2007 10:28am
Gday

Do what Azza said, just to make sure everything is set up right.
Then forget about the knots, just use the middle ones on all four connections all the time.

You can make all the trim adjustments you will ever really need at the bar with the trim strap.

Some people will tell you that using a different knot at the kite is totally different to the effect of using the trim strap, but they are all on drugs! :-)

I mean that! You would only need the knots to get a very small advantage in either extremely light winds or strong winds for that kite.

Nemis are good kites and can be picked up for next to nothing now!!

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve
mineral1
mineral1
WA
4564 posts
WA, 4564 posts
21 Jan 2007 11:26am
Wrex, you kiting up around Quinn’s or you been coming down near Pinnaroo.
If Quinn’s, any kamikazes’ like me sailing up there, if so which spot. Was up there looking yesterday, looked flat inside the reef just down a bit from your place.
Still not allowed out to play, mid Feb at least X-Ray will say go or no-go. Walking on it, all be it softly softly.
You got your better half kiting yet?

Mineral
Poida
Poida
WA
1922 posts
WA, 1922 posts
21 Jan 2007 3:30pm
just wondering if lengthening the rear lines will put the kite further back in the window and maybe less chance of a Hindenburg experience (kite flowing over the top of you in a gust, stalling, falling out of sky and powering up again in worst possible location of the window,etc)
or would the stalling occur any way on particular kites when your not paying attention?
A Hindenburg happend to me yesterday with the kite on max depower (2003 Flow 10m2 in 15-20kn), mainly cause I wasnt paying attention to keep the kite moving overhead and keeping an eye on it.

cheers
Poida
azza
azza
1338 posts
1338 posts
21 Jan 2007 4:52pm
Poida,

it depends upon your definition of "Hindenburg"...

(1) If your kite stalled, that is it tried to climb to steeply and could not create enough lift to keep propelling itself forward, then lengthening the back lines may help.

(2) If the kite luffed, that's when the kite is flown too far forward in the window and the canopy essentially ends up with more pressure above it than below it resulting in loss of lift, then you actually need to shorten the back lines. This is usually done with bar control and paying close attention the the kite. Luffing can also be more prevalent when kiting in gusty conditions like the Swan River etc.

If you're having to move the kite around to keep it in the air, then you are at the bottom end of the wind range for that kite.

Until you can (almost) instinctively tell where your kite is and what it is doing, by the feel on the bar, keep your eyes on the kite.

Firstly make sure your bar and lines are setup correctly, then make any needed adjustments at the kite.
DaveSpruce
DaveSpruce
WA
568 posts
WA, 568 posts
21 Jan 2007 5:15pm
quote:
Originally posted by Kitepower Australia

Gday

Do what Azza said, just to make sure everything is set up right.
Then forget about the knots, just use the middle ones on all four connections all the time.

You can make all the trim adjustments you will ever really need at the bar with the trim strap.

Some people will tell you that using a different knot at the kite is totally different to the effect of using the trim strap, but they are all on drugs! :-)

I mean that! You would only need the knots to get a very small advantage in either extremely light winds or strong winds for that kite.

Nemis are good kites and can be picked up for next to nothing now!!

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve



WOW! Next to nothing?!? that must be 1 dollar then? WHERE!!?!?!
Poida
Poida
WA
1922 posts
WA, 1922 posts
22 Jan 2007 12:10am
number 2 azza
luffing (looks like the hindenburg falling backwards out of the sky)
Its only happend to me a few times at the top of the window when I dont keep the kite moving and doesnt allways happen,
probably happens more in light conditions
it gives you about 3 seconds to consider disconnecting or to ride it out.
out on the water its no worries, if it happend on land I would consider pulling the pin.
Generally in 18knots I havent had the hindenburg experience,
I think the solution is concentrate rather than tweaking the connections at the kite. The string lengths are ok. I normally connect to the middle knot connections at the kite for the strings. I thought that when the kites on maximum depower on the trim strap may be a reason, so with less depower when walking on the beach or just entering water etc may solve having the hindenburg experience occuring again.
cheers
Poida

azza
azza
1338 posts
1338 posts
22 Jan 2007 5:10am
Poida,

it is possible to depower some kites too much for some conditions, you will have to gauge the situation accordingly as to how much is pulled in on the sheeting/depower strap. It is just one of those things that we all have to learn.

When walking on the shore it is a good idea to be holding the bar in the powered position, so as to maintain the kites' stability, with the sheeting strap pulled in to allow lots of depower when you move the bar upwards (or is let go). This gives you "larger room for error" should you suddenly find that your kite is momentously too big for the conditions and you are heading skyward. If you don't have enough free travel above the bar in a bad situation it has just gotten a whole lot worse.


Incidentally...
You may have noticed that some of the newer kites have cam-battens all along the leading edge of the canopy, these are to reduce the chance of luffing by maintaining the profile... effectively there needs to be less pressure under/within the canopy for it to hold its' shape, and the shape is what gives it the lift. Fly too far forward, lose the shape, and lose the lift... kaaplop! Consequently the upwind performance of these newer kites is dramatically increased, and so is their static flying stability in gusty and marginal conditions (upper and lower to the kites range).
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