Sounds what you did was a little too nice.

I would have expected it to be like proper surfing, if you miss the wave your going for you go to the back of the line up!

graceful said...

cRAZY Canuk said...

Sounds what you did was a little too nice.

I would have expected it to be like proper surfing, if you miss the wave your going for you go to the back of the line up!

yeah that's it,if you wasted your wave that's it.
to the back

Agree. Bad luck to the guy in front-he had his wave and blew it-the red board was in the right-that was HIS wave-you gave yours to the guy in front who missed his-you were too nice and ended up in the wrong.

Same rules as surfing where there's a 3 wave set (for example) guy 1 goes the first wave and misses it/blows the take off etc. he's out of the picture, he elected to go and missed it/blew it. 2nd guy gets 2nd wave, 3rd guy 3rd wave. 1st guy has 1st priority in next set. All of course subject to conditions and ability.

That's my take.

Dudes on red boards are not to be messed with, I know a guy that rides a certain reef break on a red board. You made the right decision by getting off his wave as what happened in front had nothing to do with him....

If the first wave was yours like you say, then WTF ride it, he can go get another if he can't stay on a swell. He'll just expect to be given everything, may as well be a poley in that case.

Yeah, I reckon the surfing rule works - re: going to the back of the line. I try to take turns in the breaks, but there are ALWAYS one or two people who seem to jump the queue on numerous occasions, usually it seems they are unaware of it, I reckon the rule is to follow a peak from 200m out or so until it breaks on the beach, its the only fair way because so often the surfing rule of 'closest to the break' and the kiting rule of downwind giving way rule conflict with one another, it should be first onto the wave gets it.

There's an article in the News section on seabreeze on this I'm sure.

I've had some strange scenarios on waves, they make things much more difficult, especially if big - I guess this is relevant too:

One dilemma I have is I often find I rack up a fair bit of speed if I drop onto the face of a large wave from behind it, what this means is that I HAVE TO edge hard upwind if I am not to crash from gaining too much speed (where any chop is gunna trip you up), at the same time I can't slow down too much unless I want to get hammered by the froth-monster/sand-dumper towering behind me. My board holds speed very (twinny - SS SX148) well and doesn't slow down easily (but awesome in surf coz of its flex).

What scares me is if someone is upwind of me and is trying to come DOWNWIND on my tack or someone is trying to head back out through the break towards me on the opposite tack and trying to go upwind of me as I usually think that the first priority is to let other kiters outof rough breaks regardless of tack, but in this scenario I find it very difficult so I rely on them noticing my constraint and letting me past.

I feel like I'm trapped and that I will definitely crash from too much speed if I release my edge in an attempt to go more downwind and give way esp. if I'm actually on the face of the wave so I just keep going upwind at a hell of a speed, and no... stopping is no option with a BIG WAVE rolling in behind me although perhaps if push came to shove and there was actually gunna be an accident I'd probably bail.

I need to draw a diagram really...

Jimmyz said...

someone is trying to head back out through the break towards me on the opposite tack and trying to go upwind of me as I usually think that the first priority is to let other kiters outof rough breaks regardless of tack, but in this scenario I find it very difficult so I rely on them noticing my constraint and letting me past.

Kiters on waves (or swells about to become waves) have priority over those going back out-outbound kiters have plenty of time to make up ground on their outbound run-the whole purpose of which is the set up for a wave. General rule-naturally exceptions in dangerous situations.

neoniphon said...

I say good on you John, a little bit of kindness and a "help your mates" attitude goes a long way, it is what keeps the kite community together and differentiates it from the aggro free-for-all which is surfing these days.

You can come and share our spot anytime mate!

He doesn't feel that way-otherwise, why his initial post? If he was so touchy feely nice, he wouldn't gone on here to vent/query.......

Have a read of the post titled "windsurfers at lancelin" on the windsurfing forum.

John,
Your thread title; 'Waveriding - most power, more rights ?'.......
probably should read; 'Waveriding - more power = more manoeuvrability = more opportunity.'
When you have the capability to fang all over the break at will,
you do have more rights.....
and more lefts.....
more everything.
And that goes for polesurfers as well as kiters.

The surfer (I'm talking surfing now) who is a strong paddler on a short board, a fast paddler....
is often one of the better surfers in the water.
He gets the waves, he gets the best rides.

Intresting enough i wasnt going anywhere near this topic ,because ive meet some good kite crew who line up and wack it and do the right thing for everyone on the water. The way it should be.

BUT THIS WEEKEN PROVED TO ME YOU GOTTA WATCH OUT .

I was at SUNSET (Geralton ) with a nice 3 foot swell just as the seabreeze hit so it was still clean and glassy an (experienced ?) kiter just put his kite up ........and was first on the water..... he cranked a carving jybe on his first run out and the kite droped out of the sky and rolled on to its self...................Kite mere swim to the beach proceded..............AND i was alerted to the fact the break was quickly converted to a tampon despenser, with strings and **** everywhere.

I hit the water fully fanging and got into a great rythem .The kiter washed in, walked up the beach, untangled the dangle and re launched.

With in 15 min of him returning to the water i was fanging out, and he was on a wave just trimming through it ,he droped the kite down the entire length of the line up, For me this was kind of exiting ,believing he would pull it all back up ..........but as i approached feeding more power on, right from the inside , his kite edge hit the water and he went back into the water start position. i wasnt backing off and thought it may re launch ,but it dragged .............. i had no where to go and was fully committed......his bottom lines were in the water and the top lines were bouncing out of control from being in the water to 2 to 3 meters high.

With in seconds something was going to go down ?????? (was not going to be me)

The wave pitched in front of me and i launched into a long long boosted windsurfer floater approx 5 m down from his bar and med strings ,,,,,clearing the whole lot.

But at one point i was smashing through the whole shamozzle

Look at the end of the day **** happens, you got to hope its not bad **** ,like a serious injury/ death equipment damage which was so very close to happening.

This post / topic has some some valid points.

It can very quickly be like trying to mix Petrol with water.

FOKFs LINE UP AND STOP YOUR BULL****