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Kitestig
Kitestig
31 posts
31 posts
9 Apr 2013 8:55pm
There has been a lot of debate about preferred water sports ie surfing, windsurfing and kiteboarding
These sports have been around for a number of years

Modern surfing since the 1930s (with many innovations over the years)
Windsurfing developed in the 1960s (once again many innovations)
Kiting the baby brother developed in the 1990s (still in its infancy but fast growing)

Many of us on these forums have grown up as groms surfing our local breaks maybe you changed to windsurfing or kiting for a different thrill or it was a new sport that was developing at the time.

What if all these sports were around when you were making a decision on what you wanted to be surfer , windsurfer or kiter . What would you choose if you had no preconceptions or bias

It would interesting to hear from some of the younger guys who are 15 to 20 who now have that choice and why they chosen there sport.
theDoctor
theDoctor
NSW
5786 posts
NSW, 5786 posts
9 Apr 2013 10:59pm


hardly in infancy

we are just lucky its' expensive and learning can be ego crushing to the mono symbolic
Eaglelad
Eaglelad
VIC
119 posts
VIC, 119 posts
10 Apr 2013 12:05am
well I'm 20 and I kite because it can be done in the most amount of places and has a heap of variety. but I started surfing first and when the conditions are right nothing beats it! If I had the perfect spot and endless amounts of time I would probably windsurf as well still.
jackforbes
jackforbes
WA
530 posts
WA, 530 posts
9 Apr 2013 10:24pm
Nice question! Kite when it's windy, surf when there's swell, windsurf when it's cranking, SUP in the gaps...

Like you say, most of us start as surfing groms, it's the cheapest!

Missing the wind but had a great SUP today...
sir ROWDY
sir ROWDY
WA
5378 posts
WA, 5378 posts
9 Apr 2013 10:28pm
Most people don't have a choice. Kiting and windsurfing are far too expensive for any grom that doesn't know someone who does it already or have loaded parents.
If I had a choice out of the 3 I would have probably stuck to surfing because that is what would give me the most enjoyment where I live most often. Luckily I have a choice and doing everything is far better than just doing one ;) .
Plummet
Plummet
4862 posts
4862 posts
10 Apr 2013 3:35am
I came from mountain biking. not surfing or wind surfing. Ok i'd dabbled with surfing in the past but didn't like it.

my take is this

surfing: fun to effort ratio way to low. theres lots of paddling through surf, then waiting for a wave...whilst jostling for that one wave every 5 mins with 20 other surfers. Then its a token 10 to 20 seconds of fun then wait for another 5-10 mins. I didn't like the attidute of some arrrsewhole surfers who thought they owned that particular wave.

wind surfing: mowing backwards and fowards doesn't appeal. plus the equipment is large and cannot be stowed in the boot of a car. I want to be airborn.

Kiting: thrill to risk ratio is excellent. compared to a land bassed sport eg mountain biking you can launch big smash hard and you simply splash into the water no injury, on the land that same behaviour sends you to hospital pretty quickly. fun to effort ratio is also excellent. set up/pack up is down time. but one launched its pretty much all fun. unlike surfing which is mostly grind and small amount of fun. The clincher for me is the airtime. such glorious glorious boosts... so much control. so little risk (again compared to land based extreme sports).
knotwindy
knotwindy
42 posts
42 posts
10 Apr 2013 6:09am
plummet pretty much nailed it

also with windsurfing in the waves you are always looking through the sail and are less maneuverable than on a kite,
kind of like looking through a windshield of a car as opposed to being on a motorbike...
tomme
tomme
VIC
475 posts
VIC, 475 posts
10 Apr 2013 8:23am
I started with surfong and sailing, there are established clubs and places to nurture young (lack of) talent with organisations not looking ro make a heap of cash but just to grow the sport.
I think surfing is great and can be a good entry when you buy a second hand board for a few hundred.

kite surfing changes lives though.

not sure that really answerwd anything at all.
kiteboy dave
kiteboy dave
QLD
6525 posts
QLD, 6525 posts
10 Apr 2013 8:50am
I'm 37 started kiting in 2002. Wish it had been invented when/before I was a teen, I would have been able to afford it (after saving hard) as I always worked 1-2 jobs from 13 yrs onwards.

I'm trying make a move next to the beach happen. If it does I'm looking at getting more into surfing as now I have kids I'm actually up early enough in the morning

Windsurfing is too impractical - too much gear to lug around. Impossible for a teen on a bike.


zarb
zarb
NSW
703 posts
NSW, 703 posts
10 Apr 2013 9:46am
Been surfing and doing surf ironman most of my life. The only option for those messy windy days was to either go for a training swim or a training session on the racing mal.

Now I wait for those messy windy days in anticipation of a kite session.

Although given the choice between a kite session or a lonely surf session on a perfect peak, I would probably choose the surf. However that is a rarity... The crowds are normally thick and aggressive.
Gorgo
Gorgo
VIC
5124 posts
VIC, 5124 posts
10 Apr 2013 10:42am
Surfing is the king of water/extreme/soul sports ... when it's good. Problem is that it is rarely good. Most of the time you're sitting, sitting, sitting to hassle for a 10 second ride on a sloppy wave. When it's half good the "pro" riders take all the waves and you're still riding slop.

I started surfing in the 70's and was crap at it. Partially because of my lack of talent and partially because the short board revolution came along and you couldn't get a board over 6'. I surfed mats and foamies in the 60's and they were fun.

Windsurfing came along on 12' boards and it was instant fun and I was naturally good at it. I quickly progressed to short boards when they appeared and has a load of fun.

20 years later kitesurfing appeared. I tried it as a light wind alternative to windsurfing. It proved to be insanely addictive and I sold my windsurfing gear after using it twice in 2 years. I can kite 10 minutes from my house, every night after work during daylight savings. I can launch at my local beach then ride my own personal breaks 4-5k up the coast in either direction.

I had been surfing on longboards and doing ok then SUPs appeared. Suddenly my lack of physical talent for paddling a surfboard no longer mattered and my years of surfing experience paid off and I can surf quite well.

Still, for convenience, ease of use, and bang for buck, kitesurfing kills surfing.
lostinlondon
lostinlondon
VIC
1159 posts
VIC, 1159 posts
10 Apr 2013 6:47pm
I started out sailing as a kid and for $500 I got a little boat I could muck around in, spend the winter sanding and prepping for the next season and was able to sell on for the same price when it was time to upgrade. The country city I grew up in NZ had great sailing conditions - not so much surfing and there was a very big windsurf school in a pond area off the side of the estuary.

I could jump on my bike any time I liked and go sailing all day during the summer holidays so I developed a lot of independance and self reliance, which was something I saw seriously lacking in the city kids of Melbourne when I moved here in my teens.

Before moving to London I was racing regularly on a keel boat and as we were coming back into Sandy, the sea breeze was starting to crank and the pioneers of kitesurfing were flying off Hampton Beach. I thought to myself "I have to get into that!"

A move to London allowed me to get a lot better at snowboarding - you can catch a train from London on Friday night and wake up in Bourg St Maurice the next morning, have your gear on and be on the slopes in time for first chair. Riding waist to armpit deep powder on a snowboard is amazing and an experience not to be missed. The fact you can do it half a metre from your mate, in near absolute silence and have a conversation whilst flying down the hill is almost surreal.

Kitesurfing is an awesome combination of Sailing and Snowboarding to me. The gear is very portable and gives you the performance and speed that only high performance yachts and Windsurfing can achieve. Now I want to get into racing as I dig the tension that builds in that final 30 seconds before the race start, calling the line well and hitting it at pace just as the gun goes off.

Now I'm back in St Kilda, living across the road from kitebeach is the equivalent of living on the mountain for watersports. I've also been to some pretty cool places around the world with my kitebag (Hayling island UK, Devon, Cornwall, Atlantic Coast France, Santander Spain, Costa Brava Spain, Beauduc France, Bol Croatia, Paros and Naxos Greece, Reunion Island, Mauritius, Margaret River, Augusta, Perth, Lancelin)

Kitesurfing has made me a better sailor - I can read the weather a lot better and can pick the gusts and shifts.

It's also made me a better snowboarder - I can go up for day trips and not be physically shattered at the end of the day. I also ride at a consistently harder pace from the get go, rather than easing myself into it as I get my eye back in.

I've thought about taking up surfing but at the end of the day, unless you are naturally gifted, you have to be spending a lot of time in the learning stages to get over what I call the "hump" ie. that point where you can come back to the sport after a break and still do it well. Surfing seems to be that sort of sport where unless you have daily access to a good break you're not going to progress. I'm not prepared to make the jaunt down to the waves maybe once a week to try my hand at it to only get frustrated. I'd rather go and smash out 100 km on my road bike or go for a swim at MSAC.

It's interesting to read the replies from guys who have had a surfing background as they tend to think differently about things than I do. But I guess if I grew up in a surfing town instead of sailing areas things would have been different!
kitingtopher
kitingtopher
SA
313 posts
SA, 313 posts
10 Apr 2013 8:32pm
i reckon Plummet has nailed it . add small dinghy sailing{with your kids) , yachting on bigger boats , and throw in fishing.
why do you come back to the beach?
Rails
Rails
QLD
1371 posts
QLD, 1371 posts
10 Apr 2013 11:39pm
Freedom in a backpack
tgladman
tgladman
WA
500 posts
WA, 500 posts
10 Apr 2013 10:23pm
Yep, you nailed it for me too plummet, I never enjoyed surfing purely for the reasons you mentioned, I'd always wished there were ocean chairlifts too.
Plummet said...
I came from mountain biking. not surfing or wind surfing. Ok i'd dabbled with surfing in the past but didn't like it.

my take is this

surfing: fun to effort ratio way to low. theres lots of paddling through surf, then waiting for a wave...whilst jostling for that one wave every 5 mins with 20 other surfers. Then its a token 10 to 20 seconds of fun then wait for another 5-10 mins. I didn't like the attidute of some arrrsewhole surfers who thought they owned that particular wave.

wind surfing: mowing backwards and fowards doesn't appeal. plus the equipment is large and cannot be stowed in the boot of a car. I want to be airborn.

Kiting: thrill to risk ratio is excellent. compared to a land bassed sport eg mountain biking you can launch big smash hard and you simply splash into the water no injury, on the land that same behaviour sends you to hospital pretty quickly. fun to effort ratio is also excellent. set up/pack up is down time. but one launched its pretty much all fun. unlike surfing which is mostly grind and small amount of fun. The clincher for me is the airtime. such glorious glorious boosts... so much control. so little risk (again compared to land based extreme sports).


sir ROWDY
sir ROWDY
WA
5378 posts
WA, 5378 posts
11 Apr 2013 3:05am
Plummet might have nailed it from a weekend punters perspective, but I reckon he's far from the mark if you are decent at all 3 sports or live in a place that isn't windy most days (like WA).
Gorgo
Gorgo
VIC
5124 posts
VIC, 5124 posts
11 Apr 2013 11:36am
Plummet said...
... 5-10 mins. I didn't like the attidute of some arrrsewhole surfers who thought they owned that particular wave.

...


Your 5-10 minutes is way off the mark. That would be an exceptionally good day or surfing slop. Good sets usually come in 15-20 minute cycles. In a crowded lineup you can be lucky to get 3-4 waves in an hour session.

Some of the expert surfers are really nice guys and share the waves. Some are pleasant enough but there's no way you can compete with them to get a set wave. Some are flat out arseholes.

In the 70's I used to surf Bell's Beach on a surf mat. There was absolutely no hassling. Guys would call people into waves. I used to get hoots for getting barrels on a mat. It changed in the 80's and got really competitive.

It changed again in the late 90's when you would get family groups with three generatations surfing. The nice people outnumbered the arseholes .. but the arseholes were still there.
dbabicwa
dbabicwa
WA
809 posts
WA, 809 posts
11 Apr 2013 10:24am
For me kitesurfing was a progression from paragliding.

Paragliding gives you this sense of freedom to launch from anywhere at any time. A bit of the wind is good, not too much. I am talking Europe, and my first hill was in my backyard. 2000m mountain - 2 hrs drive.

Man, when you airborne nothing can compete with that. Only big kite boosts. They are relatively short trill tho:)

Skiing and snowboarding still beats kite boarding in my opinion. It's because of hours you can make in only one week snowboarding (ie 40 hrs min). And the variety of slopes, peacefulness and nature around you.

Add snow kite boarding into the equation and you've got a perfect match. You pack your kite in a backpack and go X-country:)

Never surfed or did any water sport before kiting.
Gorgo
Gorgo
VIC
5124 posts
VIC, 5124 posts
11 Apr 2013 12:40pm
Paragliding is fantastic for satisfaction. Gliding home at the end of a long cross country triangle, or climbing out in a thermal when everybody else is grovelling is a fantastic experience. There is something special about being able to fly. Travelling with a paraglider is amazing.

Kitesurfing wins hands downs for yeehar!!! fun. Yeehar moments are rare in paragliding, unless you do acro, and acro flying is dangerous.

Zooming along at a million miles an hour and boosting a decent jump or carving a power turn on a wave face is awesome fun and accessible to everyone.

If I lived in Europe or the US and had a snowy mountain in my back yard I might think differently.
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