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Munga
Munga
WA
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WA, 89 posts
11 Jan 2013 4:37pm
Who has right of way, starboard tack entering the shore line or the kiter launching?

Seems to me that most kiters are unaware of any such rules be it written or spoken, would like to generate convo to clear the air...
stuntnaz
stuntnaz
NSW
540 posts
NSW, 540 posts
11 Jan 2013 7:40pm
I thought it was give way to the person coming off the beach
Plummet
Plummet
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4862 posts
11 Jan 2013 4:44pm
yeah the guy on the water can simply tack out a gain 50m earlier. If he doesn't he's abit of a twat.

note" if the dude coming in is riding a sweet wave then thats ok! the waiting kiter can watch and enjoy until the dude is finished smashing the wave.
Haydn24
Haydn24
QLD
473 posts
QLD, 473 posts
11 Jan 2013 6:48pm
Yep, certainly the outgoing kiter
surfingboye
surfingboye
NSW
2707 posts
NSW, 2707 posts
11 Jan 2013 9:05pm
biggest pet hate...:

smashing a wave coming in and some the person going out doesn't give way...
what the hell,
how hard is it,
just mowing the lawn through the wave zone.
seriously.

or your both coming in and your in front of someone,
he then jams you right into the shore,
crashes on the transition,
then you wait for him to position his board.

love a good kook
lol.

NickT
NickT
WA
1094 posts
WA, 1094 posts
11 Jan 2013 9:40pm
How about the guy on the TT mowing the lawn lets me get out the back on my strapless surfy! Got pissed off a couple times last year with this situation.
Bazinga
Bazinga
QLD
63 posts
QLD, 63 posts
12 Jan 2013 8:43am
NickT said...
How about the guy on the TT mowing the lawn lets me get out the back on my strapless surfy! Got pissed off a couple times last year with this situation.


I hope you aren't suggesting that strapless riders should get right of way because they are "special" .........that would cause this thread to flame on for pages. My take is if someone is learning/struggling, whether a complete newb on a TT, or a better rider learning on a SB, give them some room. If they are somewhat competent on a SB then normal give way rules apply
SUPSurferQLD
SUPSurferQLD
QLD
339 posts
QLD, 339 posts
12 Jan 2013 9:47am
Avoid learners, avoid kooks, avoid collisions. Kite with a smile. Enjoy your day.
Akwa
Akwa
WA
255 posts
WA, 255 posts
12 Jan 2013 10:03am
I always go by 'asses the situation'.

Sometimes even though in theory you have right of way it just make more sense that you give way, be it that the other guy does not show any sign of going downwind or that he just has a better angle on the wind or just because you might think yourself that it would be no problem to get back to the line that you were beforehand.

I'm always quick to give way, I just can't be bothered with any potential issues.
sir ROWDY
sir ROWDY
WA
5378 posts
WA, 5378 posts
12 Jan 2013 12:13pm
Who should really have priority though???

Consider this; Some days I'm riding my wakeboard, using the small waves as ramps... thus every person riding tiny little ****ty waves on the way in are in my way every tack out. Who should have the right of way? I don't feel either person (or style) is automatically entitled to right of passage.

I must agree though, in a clear wave setup where everyone is riding the same wave, people on the way out should give way to the kiter on the wave.
eppo
eppo
WA
9793 posts
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12 Jan 2013 1:59pm
Starboard tack has right of way, wind over right shoulder, on the west coast coming back towards shore into your wAve, guy coming out gives way. Guy going out keeo kite low, guy coming in kite higher. Easy. And some common sense, generally.

If I'm heading out and someone has right of way and we seem to holding a collision course, then I will boost downwind, easy solved then.

Guy at beach waiting to get in, wait until you are clear. You have no right of way as you are not on the water yet and someone is coming into shore to either do a trick, transition or on a wave. The rider coming in is coming at speed, you are still. Be patient and stay the Farq out of people's way who are already on the water. That's my own rule, ha ha .
Munga
Munga
WA
89 posts
WA, 89 posts
12 Jan 2013 10:04pm
Eppo, thanks mate, that was what I thought always made sense. That said, not sure if this is the rule hands down however in my 6 years of kiting, from day dot I always give right of way when entering the water. Keep the kite low on the leeward side of the beach so not to get in anyone's way then enter when all clear, simple safe and in sync with guys on the water.

Guys any more comment??
eppo
eppo
WA
9793 posts
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12 Jan 2013 10:50pm
Well if a windsurfer is coming out to sea at ya I wouldn't try to enforce that rule. best to give way to the bigger craft!! Plus i dont even think they know how fast or slow they will be going once they reach you. Ha ha

But jump over him on the way back out. Ha ha
VentoWa
VentoWa
WA
5 posts
WA, 5 posts
14 Jan 2013 9:42am
breakzmaker said...
Avoid learners, avoid kooks, avoid collisions. Kite with a smile. Enjoy your day.


lostinlondon
lostinlondon
VIC
1159 posts
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14 Jan 2013 2:25pm
eppo said...
Starboard tack has right of way, wind over right shoulder, on the west coast coming back towards shore into your wAve, guy coming out gives way. Guy going out keeo kite low, guy coming in kite higher. Easy. And some common sense, generally.

If I'm heading out and someone has right of way and we seem to holding a collision course, then I will boost downwind, easy solved then.

Guy at beach waiting to get in, wait until you are clear. You have no right of way as you are not on the water yet and someone is coming into shore to either do a trick, transition or on a wave. The rider coming in is coming at speed, you are still. Be patient and stay the Farq out of people's way who are already on the water. That's my own rule, ha ha .


So if someone is sitting there patiently waiting to come out with their kite up, you come screaming in to do a trick 5m from the shore, you stuff it up and come through onto the beach, cleaning them up in the process, that's their fault?

Uh, yeah-nah... that's not what I was taught by instructors...

If you are coming into shore and you see someone walking off the beach, you keep clear of them. The most dangerous time for a kiteboarder is that 30 seconds from launch to getting into the water and starting. If something goes wrong the person launching will be bouncing down the beach. Don't force someone to stand there waiting on the shore for you to come in 5 m from the beach to do you trick in front of the crowd. You can either do your trick a bit further out or just turn around and come in again 30 seconds later.

Strictly speaking you should only be that close to the beach if you are doing two things, coming off the beach (launching), or intending to walk up onto the beach (landing). Obviously this doesn't really happen in practice.

If you plan to do a trick, then YOU HAVE NO RIGHT OF WAY - it is your responsibility to ensure that you have clear space downwind to complete your trick and also some fudge factor if you don't pull it off and get dragged downwind.

As Rowdy has mentioned there is a "person on the wave has right of way" rule but how many situations are there where someone is riding a properly formed wave that close to shore?



Haydn24
Haydn24
QLD
473 posts
QLD, 473 posts
14 Jan 2013 1:32pm
lostinlondon said...
eppo said...
Starboard tack has right of way, wind over right shoulder, on the west coast coming back towards shore into your wAve, guy coming out gives way. Guy going out keeo kite low, guy coming in kite higher. Easy. And some common sense, generally.

If I'm heading out and someone has right of way and we seem to holding a collision course, then I will boost downwind, easy solved then.

Guy at beach waiting to get in, wait until you are clear. You have no right of way as you are not on the water yet and someone is coming into shore to either do a trick, transition or on a wave. The rider coming in is coming at speed, you are still. Be patient and stay the Farq out of people's way who are already on the water. That's my own rule, ha ha .


So if someone is sitting there patiently waiting to come out with their kite up, you come screaming in to do a trick 5m from the shore, you stuff it up and come through onto the beach, cleaning them up in the process, that's their fault?

Uh, yeah-nah... that's not what I was taught by instructors...

If you are coming into shore and you see someone walking off the beach, you keep clear of them. The most dangerous time for a kiteboarder is that 30 seconds from launch to getting into the water and starting. If something goes wrong the person launching will be bouncing down the beach. Don't force someone to stand there waiting on the shore for you to come in 5 m from the beach to do you trick in front of the crowd. You can either do your trick a bit further out or just turn around and come in again 30 seconds later.

Strictly speaking you should only be that close to the beach if you are doing two things, coming off the beach (launching), or intending to walk up onto the beach (landing). Obviously this doesn't really happen in practice.

If you plan to do a trick, then YOU HAVE NO RIGHT OF WAY - it is your responsibility to ensure that you have clear space downwind to complete your trick and also some fudge factor if you don't pull it off and get dragged downwind.

As Rowdy has mentioned there is a "person on the wave has right of way" rule but how many situations are there where someone is riding a properly formed wave that close to shore?





Spot on!
Ellobuddha
Ellobuddha
NSW
625 posts
NSW, 625 posts
14 Jan 2013 2:33pm
Starboard tack has right of way im general passing circumstances.

Guy riding wave is given right of way in any case.

The rest of situations is common sense and a few manners. If needed just wave someone else in or out.
deXtrous
deXtrous
NSW
451 posts
NSW, 451 posts
14 Jan 2013 4:27pm
The general rule I follow is:

If I'm on a collision course, I will change direction. Port or starboard is irrelevant.

If I am passing upwind of a kiter I keep my kite high, If I am downwind I keep my kite low

Give way to people entering water.




simple :s



I don't know why most kitesurfers have some stupid desire to all kite within the same little area...

I just go downwind once in the water and have my fun then when I want to finish I just tack back upwind back to where I was originally...
harry potter
harry potter
VIC
2777 posts
VIC, 2777 posts
14 Jan 2013 4:39pm
Rule IS and ALWAYS has been - Rider leaving the shore has right of way. ( meaning entering the water ) This rule was created to ensure that the least amount of time is spent on-land to avoid people being dragged and hitting solid objects etc...

Once on the water Starboard tack has right of way...... If you dont know what starboard and port tacks are.... LEARN IT !!!

On waves - Standard wave riding principles apply to others on wave ie: deeper ( meaning closer to breaking section ) rider has right of way.
Technically a rider heading out on a starboard tack has right of way over the rider on the wave..... but it would be very very poor form ( deserving of a beating to enforce this ) as you should only approach the lineup from the outside and away from the fun zone.
eppo
eppo
WA
9793 posts
WA, 9793 posts
14 Jan 2013 2:04pm
Yeh correct me if I'm wrong on the east coast a starboard tack would be heading out to sea. Interesting.
harry potter
harry potter
VIC
2777 posts
VIC, 2777 posts
14 Jan 2013 5:30pm
eppo said...
Yeh correct me if I'm wrong on the east coast a starboard tack would be heading out to sea. Interesting.


Depends on wind direction
eppo
eppo
WA
9793 posts
WA, 9793 posts
14 Jan 2013 4:03pm
Oh with your normal Seabreeze.
kitingtopher
kitingtopher
SA
313 posts
SA, 313 posts
14 Jan 2013 6:37pm
might sound dumb, butt would normal sailing rules apply ? starboard has right of way unless you intend to crash and do a 360.
eppo
eppo
WA
9793 posts
WA, 9793 posts
15 Jan 2013 9:34am
Read through the replies and I'm willing to admit there is some common sense to giving way to someone coming off the beach especially in high wind situations. You are right standing on the beach is indeed the most dangerous place to be. Allow them to get on the water pronto. I detract the last eppo rule. Lol
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