When is a SUP a Vessel

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RAL INN
RAL INN
SA
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SA, 2898 posts
6 May 2012 10:52am
In relation to right of way boating rules
And considering a row boat is a vessel as are windsurfers and kitesurfers.

Should SUP's also be considered Vessels and thus be under the control of RoW rules?
Gorgo
Gorgo
VIC
5125 posts
VIC, 5125 posts
6 May 2012 11:57am
Why do you ask? Under what circumstances could it possibly matter? (apart from crossing shipping lanes and going into restricted areas)

A raceboard going full pelt with a tailwind can barely get up to the 5 knot speed limit let alone exceed it.
Chris_M
Chris_M
2132 posts
2132 posts
6 May 2012 2:19pm
Yes, all SUPs should have little green and red flags, compulsory flares, torch and 2-way radio. Also it should be essential for the SUP to either tow a back up dinghy or carry an inflatable just in case you hit an iceberg and your SUP sinks.

Also all SUPs should have to have a vessel number and the operator needs to be forced to wear fingerless gloves, lycra pants and a fanny-pack filled with carbo-shots.

Eventually, this world will be a safer place for us all.
LouD
LouD
WA
642 posts
WA, 642 posts
6 May 2012 6:51pm
RAL INN said...

In relation to right of way boating rules
And considering a row boat is a vessel as are windsurfers and kitesurfers.

Should SUP's also be considered Vessels and thus be under the control of RoW rules?


No
lostinlondon
lostinlondon
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VIC, 1159 posts
7 May 2012 3:00pm
RAL INN said...

In relation to right of way boating rules
And considering a row boat is a vessel as are windsurfers and kitesurfers.

Should SUP's also be considered Vessels and thus be under the control of RoW rules?


At first I read this and made the immediate mental response "No, definitely not." But then I had a think about it. I don't think SUPs should be subject to RoW rules because they lack the maneuverability that would allow them to successfully comply. Every vessel should keep clear of them. Simple as that. They are vulnerable water users, not much less so than a swimmer or someone on a surfboard.

However, there are times when an SUP-er should display awareness of the RoW rules. Such as, when in a creek or channel, they should keep out the of the deep water and to the right of the channel, so that larger vessels can safely navigate through.

ScarbsSUP
ScarbsSUP
WA
354 posts
WA, 354 posts
7 May 2012 1:45pm
Interesting discussion, again immediate reaction is no, however in some circumstances maybe they should.

It should probably be based on length, ie, there is little point in a 8 foot surf SUP being classed as a vessel as it is much closer to a surfboard. A 14 foot or 17 foot Downwind race board which can travel along at more than 8 knots in the right conditions maybe should be a vessel, all gets a bit grey really.

On second thoughts, No, they shouldn't be, it's just too hard

DM
ggh
ggh
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ggh ggh
VIC, 190 posts
7 May 2012 3:52pm
Yes they do the same as a canoe however for the RoW to come in to play the vessel needs to be traveling at a speed greater than 5 kn depending on what state you live in .
doggie
doggie
WA
15849 posts
WA, 15849 posts
7 May 2012 2:38pm
New SUP hulls

Burls
Burls
209 posts
209 posts
8 May 2012 12:40am
Just ride, enjoy, and be courteous, the rest is just nanny-state rubbish.
username
username
WA
24 posts
WA, 24 posts
11 May 2012 5:59am
Not that it really matters but from a strictly legal point of view under the international regulations for preventing collisions at sea a vessel is deemed to be any water vessel or any object that can be used for transportation on water, so by this logic even a surfboard is subject to the laws.
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