When would you need to cut your lines?

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pharro
pharro
WA
89 posts
WA, 89 posts
10 Feb 2009 1:56pm
Being new to the sport Im trying to both enjoy and push myself but also to do it in a safe manner. I've heard people on here talk about carrying a knife to cut there lines if necessary. Was just wondering if someone could explain what situation you could be in that would call for you to do this..... Any horror stories!
I'd rather try and avoid the situation altogether but if its just one of those things that can happen, is it recommended to always carry a knife?
Leeds
Leeds
NSW
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Saffer
Saffer
VIC
4501 posts
VIC, 4501 posts
10 Feb 2009 4:15pm
I was kiting in waves, about 6-8 foot faces, and probably about 4 foot bigger than my skill level at the time. Crashed in a wave and got rolled up in my lines. Once you get rolled up in your lines you have no control so its cut and release time. Didn't have a line cutter but would have needed one. Was very lucky. I got dragged about 300m at high speed and a fisherman managed to get my kite just before the rocks when it hit land. It relaunched itself about 5 times during the period, each relaunch happened within 3 seconds with a high AR C kite that I couldn't relaunch in under 10 seconds when I tried myself.
Kadkhah
Kadkhah
WA
381 posts
WA, 381 posts
10 Feb 2009 2:22pm
Got tangled in the lines?
Don't even think about releasing your self, cut the lines.
Before you have the time to think kite will power up again and in a death loop you will lose one of your body members if you're lucky.

Note: if you're not wave riding or not performing some high jumps at this stage don't worry about it.

Good Wind
Alex
Mini Mal
Mini Mal
WA
298 posts
WA, 298 posts
10 Feb 2009 2:24pm
Before the **** hits the fan, same as your quick release use it before it all goes pear shaped because it can happed very quick after that.
didi
didi
QLD
44 posts
QLD, 44 posts
10 Feb 2009 3:45pm
Hi Pharro, welcome to kitesurfing. Some harnesses (like my prolimit seat) have a pocket to store a hookknife - velcro retention etc. I've always carried a knife, but happily never had to use it.

If you get one, the best type as used in parachuting have two blades arranged in a V shape. Obviously get one that won't rust - when the day comes to use it in anger, you'll want it to cut quickly. Attaching the knife via a thin lanyard to your harness is an option - otherwise if you drop it it's gone. When would you need to use it? Maybe never. BUT, sometimes lines get wrapped around you, wrapped around someone else, wrapped around an object. Equipment malfunction may cause your quick release not to work - if the kite is in a death spiral and you can't release, the knife may be an option. You may need to go to the rescue of another kiter who is in trouble - cutting their lines may be an option. During self rescue if not careful you can end up in the middle of a ratsnest that can drown you. Make sure you get lessons so you know how to avoid these scenarios.
daniel kron
daniel kron
QLD
42 posts
QLD, 42 posts
10 Feb 2009 5:38pm
i have one that came with my harness and i've used 2x they come pretty handy... once was when i was just starting to kite, launched my kite the wind wasn't too strong so the kite dropped out of the sky and ended up getting tangled on top of a tree, i couldn't get it out as the bridle lines were all tangled up so had to cut them off...

the other time i had to use it was to cut a piece of a emergency fixing sticker patch to fix a small rip on my kite.

So thank god it was nothing serious, just handy to have one you never know, specially if you are not close to your car to get your tool box...

cheers,
dan
pharro
pharro
WA
89 posts
WA, 89 posts
11 Feb 2009 8:44am
Thanks to everyone for the advice.
Didi - Very informative and you've convinced me to go out and buy a hook knife today. Hopefully it will be a waste of money and never get used!
I have had lessons and although they covered a lot of safety issues and how to avoid getting in trouble I guess there are some situations that can still occur by accident.
Kadkhah - About to start wave riding this week for the first time (if conditions are right). I'll be sure to carry one with me now. Don't wanna go through the same thing as Saffer.
Thanks again.
djanda
djanda
19 posts
19 posts
15 Mar 2009 5:15pm
hey didi, that's a great-looking knife. what is it and where did you get it
FreeFerty
FreeFerty
NSW
169 posts
NSW, 169 posts
15 Mar 2009 10:57pm
When there is a line around you neck/arm/finger/balls and its about to pull tight. ie about to take off or in the water in the impact zone

milko
milko
NSW
604 posts
NSW, 604 posts
16 Mar 2009 11:56am
djanda said...

hey didi, that's a great-looking knife. what is it and where did you get it


I think djanda just wanted to show of his sassy avatar
GalahOnTheBay
GalahOnTheBay
NSW
4188 posts
NSW, 4188 posts
16 Mar 2009 2:07pm
didi said...

Obviously get one that won't rust - when the day comes to use it in anger, you'll want it to cut quickly. Attaching the knife via a thin lanyard to your harness is an option - otherwise if you drop it it's gone.


Cover the blades in a few mm of Vaseline to keep the salt water out and the blades will stay sharp and not rust.

As for the lanyard isn't that just something else to get tangled up?
Beer Bong
Beer Bong
WA
350 posts
WA, 350 posts
16 Mar 2009 12:17pm
My Pat Love knife has a press stud, not velcro. Needless to say, when I need it, it wasn't there.
djanda
djanda
19 posts
19 posts
16 Mar 2009 1:20pm
milko said...

I think djanda just wanted to show of his sassy avatar


I'd just like to say that I was happily married when that photo was taken and 200 percent that photo is not me.
Beer Bong
Beer Bong
WA
350 posts
WA, 350 posts
16 Mar 2009 1:49pm
Who is Pat Love anyways? Sounds like an obscure tennis star.
rooey
rooey
QLD
498 posts
QLD, 498 posts
16 Mar 2009 2:51pm
Djanda...I didnt know Pauline could kite.....she gets my vote
nickloop
nickloop
WA
138 posts
WA, 138 posts
17 Mar 2009 3:31am
Why on harnesses do they put the knife in a pocket at the back top of the harness? Try and find it while you are upside down, being dragged through the surf or wrapped up in your lines, Its near on impossible, I couldnt find mine standing on the beach let alone in a bad situation. If your worried then strap one where you know you can find iin an emergency. Ive never had to use one in six years and do not know anyone that has so its not often that serious 5hite happens. Well thats the kiss of death for me now. Might start carrying one now.
peanuticus
peanuticus
NSW
341 posts
NSW, 341 posts
17 Mar 2009 5:39pm
didi said...

Hi Pharro, welcome to kitesurfing. Some harnesses (like my prolimit seat) have a pocket to store a hookknife - velcro retention etc. I've always carried a knife, but happily never had to use it.

If you get one, the best type as used in parachuting have two blades arranged in a V shape. Obviously get one that won't rust - when the day comes to use it in anger, you'll want it to cut quickly. Attaching the knife via a thin lanyard to your harness is an option - otherwise if you drop it it's gone. When would you need to use it? Maybe never. BUT, sometimes lines get wrapped around you, wrapped around someone else, wrapped around an object. Equipment malfunction may cause your quick release not to work - if the kite is in a death spiral and you can't release, the knife may be an option. You may need to go to the rescue of another kiter who is in trouble - cutting their lines may be an option. During self rescue if not careful you can end up in the middle of a ratsnest that can drown you. Make sure you get lessons so you know how to avoid these scenarios.


doubles as a knuckle duster too
Fooosh
Fooosh
WA
563 posts
WA, 563 posts
17 Mar 2009 6:33pm
Hey Pharro

I never read of anyone who actually used a hook knife in a 'real situation'.

But people seem keen on the added safety measure. I am.

I got one after I started in the waves. I think it's better not to sushi roll yerself Keep the kite up buddy, whatever you do!!! (And don't drop in on your own lines)[}:)]
echostorm
echostorm
QLD
1245 posts
QLD, 1245 posts
18 Mar 2009 12:39pm
djanda said...

hey didi, that's a great-looking knife. what is it and where did you get it


that would have to be the funniest avator i have ever seen... GOLD!
enicao
enicao
WA
77 posts
WA, 77 posts
24 Mar 2009 5:07pm
Fooosh said...

Hey Pharro

I never read of anyone who actually used a hook knife in a 'real situation'.



I had to use my knife one, my lines were tangled around the motor of a boat, and the kite pulled to much for me to undo the knots, so I cut the lines


I've seen few kiters with their kite tangled in the mast of a boat at safety bay a few years ago, there was always lines left around that mast.

a line knife is like an airbag, you nearly never use it, but when you need it you are happy to have it.


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