Where to kite in Sydney? - Other than Brighton!

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Monkeykiter
Monkeykiter
NSW
107 posts
NSW, 107 posts
6 Feb 2005 7:27pm
Hello,

For anyone in Sydney. I was at Dolls Point / Brighton today & it was terribly overcrowded with kites and people. Along with the limited amount of beach space and rock breakwalls, this is a very unactractive place for a newbie such as myself to practice flying and body dragging.

Are there any other places to go? South of the harbour bridge and not Kurnell (because it doesnt look much better)

I was wondering why noone uses Cronulla beach, in the unused section between Wanda and boat harbour? Looks quiet with alot of beach space? I know it's surf beach, but today the surf was flat and it was in the perfect position for the Easterly we had.

I guess as a begginer (had lessons) , I want to spend more time learning to fly the kite without being worried about it crashing down on someone.

So any ideas? I would be extrememly grateful for your input. Seriously.

Cheers & thanks for helping.


Kitehard
Kitehard
WA
2782 posts
WA, 2782 posts
6 Feb 2005 4:52pm
Hey Monkeykiter,

Good question,

Cronulla is a great spot but easterlies are rarely more than about 10 knots and are a bit rare anyway. Normally either NE (seabreeze) or Souwest which is either off shore or onshore and windy in the area you mention. SE is a bit onshore and Westerly is a no no if you are learning for obvious reasons.

Kurnell can be good if you keep away from the crowds and go to Bonna Point in a NE just in froont of the toilet block but it can be busy on weekends.

Brighton in front or slightly S of the Novatel is OK in NE or S. Most other places are ocean beaches with large shoreys

Best bet is to travel a bit like make a day of it and go to Newcastle or down to wollongong and hit lake Illawarra (don't mind the pelican itch), lots of empty beaches and sand.

Loads of Peeps go to "the Bay" because it is one of the only decent spots for flat water in Sydney. Best of luck, might have to battle with the crowds at Dolls or B le Sands.

Good winds and Peace
Monkeykiter
Monkeykiter
NSW
107 posts
NSW, 107 posts
6 Feb 2005 8:30pm
Thanks Kitehard!

Actually you reminded me of something. I was flying a light aircraft down to wollongong last week and overflew lake illawarra. From above this looked fantastic for kite boarding. Lots of flat water with plenty of space on the side to launch etc.

Also no chance of being dragged out to sea!

So is it popular down there?

With the Cronulla thing, if I just want to practice flying and not actually get on the water, is it feasable to go there in any wind direction? I guess that question can be used for any place. For instance could you go to brighton to practice on the beach in a Westerly?

Cheers.


Oh..Ps.. Whats pelican itch?

Jeff2231
Jeff2231
NSW
416 posts
NSW, 416 posts
6 Feb 2005 8:55pm
First off, you can definitely not kite at Brighton in a westerly. The wind comes through the buildings there and becomes super gusty and shifty. You´ll only end up hurting yourself, your kite, or someone else on the beach in a W´ly. There really isn´t any spots in southern Sydney that I´d recommend kiting at in W winds. They´re always bastard winds no matter where you are. Boat harbour and up to Cronulla are perfect spots to learn when the waves are small. In E-S winds go to boat harbour, and if the surfs small you can ride out wanda in anything with E in it.

I don´t think Kurnell would be the best place to learn to kite though. You have the rock groynes at Kurnell that have claimed many newbie kites and the occasional kiter. Just ask Adrian at Longreef or Diago from Brighton to name a couple. Brighton is a nice place to learn to kite, just on the weekend it can be a joke. Usually in the afternoons the beach isn´t so packed though and you can stay downwind from most of the other kiters so you don´t get in the way of anyone. Anyway, good luck with your learning and remember what you learnt about spot choice when it comes to choosing an area to kite. That´ll help keep you out of trouble. See ya.
monkey
monkey
NSW
251 posts
NSW, 251 posts
7 Feb 2005 3:35am
For westerlies, Kurnell is the only spot you can kite.
Not a bad spot, nice and flat but just a bit of a drive.

Boat Harbour is okay if you have a 4wd

guys what's lake Illawarra like???
is it shallow? waist deep all the way that sort of thing?
what wind directions are the go?? so is it side shore or side off??
? Flatout wakestyle conditions??
how far a drive from Sydney?


What about Newcastle??
is it mostly ocean kiting and no lakes? just waves and waveriding??

cheers!

not on board
not on board
210 posts
210 posts
7 Feb 2005 8:28am
Picnic point at The Entrance is where many go in the winter when the Westerlies start blowing. It is on the lake and shallow, easily over a 100 meters out before it gets deeper then waist depth. Very good for newbies as you can relaunch by just standing up and running towards kite. Downside is that the bottom of lake is muddy and feels gross on your feet when walking in it.(Think of it as a natural mud pack) Also large launching area but is grass so bring some plastic bags so that you can fill them up with the little bit of sand that is there to hold your kite down when laid on grass.
Boat harbour works well in SE and SW but straight west is side shore and would be blowing straight for the rock reef so not good if you can not stay up wind. I went there 4 weeks ago and they do have a car park near the beach so that any car can drive in. They added the new road to that so that they could charge entry fee to all cars($15) used to be all people with out 4X4 parked at entrance and hitched a ride to the beach. Now they have gotten rid of the parking at the park gate using huge bolders but made a new parking lot in side the park(Sneaky of them as they now make more money) Be warned, the carpark is near the beach but still a good 5 min walk to where you set up and not fun if you have lots of gear.
Kurnell is good in Westies but they can not have any south in them as you would be of shore. Also watch out for low tide as it is not sand for very far and then is rock with Urchins. Steped on one last year and the fragments were in foot for weeks. Booties are good for that but can be a pain if your foot straps are not easily adjusted.
also you can not body drag at Kurnell as the rock jetty/groins (spelling?) are set about 100 meters apart all the way down the beach.
Alan
Alan
NSW
125 posts
NSW, 125 posts
7 Feb 2005 12:09pm
Hi MK,
If you're learning and at the stage of just flying, body dragging and attempting to get on a board my thoughts are:


North/NE/South/SE: Quite a few places and there are not so many people about when it blows cooler from the south. So shouldn't have trouble finding a spot and other kiters.
East/SE: Boat Harbour or walk a long way round from the end car park at Wanda beach to get it more cross shore. If you're on your own go to Boat where others will help you launch/land but it does cost $15. Best bet is to drive to Wanda and look across to Boat and see who's there. If you get to know the guys there you can hitch a lift at the entrance. I've had three slobs + all kite gear hanging out the back of my car once.
West: Don't. The point at Kurnell is the only place close to the city and its only for competent desperates. Its super gusty, generally Cold and plenty to hit. Wait until you are a lot better.
SW: Possibly Boat Har. but this is a dodgy, gusty and colderwind.

I'd love to find a much better place for anything with Westerly component maybe Lake Illawarra. It's been a great spot for windsurfers for ages eg Windang. Anybody know?

Al.
Jeff2231
Jeff2231
NSW
416 posts
NSW, 416 posts
7 Feb 2005 12:21pm
Kurnell really isn´t a nice place to kite in westerlies though, the wind is always so gusty. I´ve been riding out at Kurnell during westerlies over winter and while it is possible, it´s super gusty. On one day we recorded wind speeds between 7 and 27 knots!! I took my 14 out a few months ago and at stages had my kite falling out of the sky and at other times I was being lofted 10ft in the air. If you´ve been kiting for a while and have an idea of what your doing fair enough, it´s just riding in gusty conditions but if your a beginner Kurnell in a westerly is definitely not the place to ride. I don´t want to be the one that has to scrape a newbie up after they´ve been lofted onto the rocks after being hit by a gust. If your that keen on riding in westerlies Picnic Point is the safest place to ride. The wind is not so bad up there, and you can get yourself far enough upwind that losing control isn´t going to slam you into a rock groyne.
There are also a few other little spots around Lake Macquarie that can be good in westerlies but if I told you where they were I would be killed. Personally I wouldn´t bother trying to learn in westerlies because they are such a bad wind to ride in and your only going to get frustrated with the sport cause you#314;l be getting smashed so much. See ya.
Monkeykiter
Monkeykiter
NSW
107 posts
NSW, 107 posts
7 Feb 2005 7:56pm
Thanks all,

But if I was just staying on the beach practicing turns, with no intention of going on the water, is it feasable to say any wind direction would do?

dzv
dzv
WA
12 posts
dzv dzv
WA, 12 posts
7 Feb 2005 8:51pm
Even if you have no intention of getting into the water, it's probably best to take precautions, in case something goes wrong. ie. You have to assume there's a possibility that you'll catch a gust and get lofted or dragged (especially since your a beginner). So you want to ask yourself "Where will I end up if this happens?"

In a direct onshore wind, you'd want a decent amount of beach space between you and the road, powerlines, rocks, etc.

In a direct offshore wind, the risk of immediate injury is not as high, what would happen if you get dragged or lofted off the beach? This could put you into the paths of other kiters, swimmers, etc, or if you have a problem with your safety system, could drag you a fair bit off shore.

That's the way I see it, anyway.
Jeff2231
Jeff2231
NSW
416 posts
NSW, 416 posts
8 Feb 2005 10:15am
I agree with Alan on all his spot choices, but to be honest I don't think you should be trying to learn in anything with any W in it at all. Especially if your just flying on the beach. If it's gusty thats when it's going to be the most dangerous cause you've got your kite bucking around, falling back in the window during lulls then powering back up when the gusts hit. It's just a recipe for disaster. If your on the beach, hook your safety system up and fly unhooked so if you get into any trouble you can just let go of the bar. You'll be more powered up than if you were hooked in but it gives you the opportunity to let go rather than being dragged on your stomach and having to pull your safety.
We put a kite up in NW winds at Brighton just to see how the kite would fly and at one stage the kite turned a full 180 degrees (like it would if it was SE) and flew for a few seconds before falling out of the sky. There was nobody on the beach, small kite, and light wind so it was a pretty controlled way to check out what would happen. Keep to the more consistant winds, and steer clear of anything downwind and you can't go wrong. Just remember, you only have to make the mistake once and it could screw your kiting up for good. See ya.
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