Will twintips end up like skateboards?

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schmik
schmik
NSW
235 posts
NSW, 235 posts
3 Mar 2007 1:41pm
I was just thinking about twintip shapes and came to a conclusion that like skatedecks and snowboards they will all end up pretty much the same shape. While skate/snow boarding was new the boards shapes went through many evolutions until they all ended up pretty much paddle pop stick shaped. Sure that are small differenced in length, width and flex but not that much.

I think that there will always be different boards for different uses (surf, skim, mutant) but the freestyle / free ride twintip will end up pretty generic.

Do you think we are at this point already or will the twin tip evolve much more?

mike
Macca Wollongong
Macca Wollongong
NSW
295 posts
NSW, 295 posts
3 Mar 2007 1:43pm
hydroplane!
chrisb
chrisb
37 posts
37 posts
3 Mar 2007 5:14pm
Aren't all twin tips pretty much the same shape now? I'd say there's more variation in snowboard shapes than kiteboards.
rooey
rooey
QLD
498 posts
QLD, 498 posts
3 Mar 2007 8:53pm
hoola hoops wrapped in no name gladrap WILL be the next stage of the evolution of friction free water skateing,maybe hoover anti-vacume cleaner moters to create a hovercraft effect P.S a very long extension cord will need to be adapted!
cassie1506
cassie1506
9 posts
9 posts
3 Mar 2007 8:37pm
THE INDUSTRY RECOGNISES THE NEED TO BE ABLE TO BUILD THINNER BOARD BUT DONT KNOW HOW TO GET THEM TO 4-5MM THICK WITH STIFF LIGHT CONSTRUCTION.
THE ONLY WAY IT CAN BE DONE IS WITH CARBON FIBRE AND THUS EXPENSIVE.
IT WILL HAPPEN THOUGH IT IS JUST A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE RIDERS REALISE THAT THE THINNER THE BOARD YOU ARE ON THE BETTER THE RESPONSE.

REMEMBER THE BOARDS OF YESTERDAY.THICK AND HEAVY.
THEY ARE GETTING BETTER ALL THE TIME.
THEY HAVE LEVELED OUT AMONG THE BIGGER COMPANIES BUT CUSTOM BOARD BUILDERS ARE LEADING THE WAY WITH THINNER LIGHTER BOARDS.
THERE ARE A FEW REALLY GOOD BOARD MADE BY SMALL TIME OPERATORS IN FRANCE AND ITALY .AWESOME LIGHT STRONG BOARDS. YEARS AHEAD OF THE BIG PLAYERS.
YOU WILL START TO SEE THEM HEAR AS THEY TRAVEL AROUND.
Kitehard
Kitehard
WA
2782 posts
WA, 2782 posts
4 Mar 2007 12:29pm
Hey Guys,

Boards have pretty much leveled out in regards to plan shape. The thing that will change for a bit longer is the flex characteristics and maybe to a lesser extent, thickness and weight. Airush boards, and as far as I can tell, Nobile, also have got some nice flex and distribute it progressively to the tips and even corners of the board where it is useful in creating quite a dynamic and responsive board to ride. They both make reasonably light and thin boards with decent strength.

The widths and lengths have plateau'd. The thickness and weight wont change much because as boards get thinner, they get weaker. Custom shapers do build lighter boards that feel nicer than the big names but at the expense of decent warranty. To offer a decent warranty, companies need to build 'em stronger to handle todays crazy moves of high impact and rough treatment.

What we expect our boards to handle is pretty rich. I for one would rather have a board that is a couple of ounces heavier and twice as strong so that it doesn't break as opposed to a super light board that even if it is covered by a warranty will eventually break.

Whilst you are squabbling with the manufacturer over how it broke and waiting for it to be inspected and the reason for breakage determined, you are missing out on water time.

I can't speak for anyone else but, if it's blowing and my mates are all out having a filth sesh, I wanna be out there not waiting for a replacement board!

Make mine bombproof thanks!

Good winds,

cassie1506
cassie1506
9 posts
9 posts
4 Mar 2007 2:53pm
i agree with most of what is said above accept for the eventually break bit. if it does not break in the first few heavy poundings why will it eventally break.
it has no wear part or properties to fatigue.HMMMMMM
dustin
dustin
QLD
448 posts
QLD, 448 posts
4 Mar 2007 4:00pm
u sure lighter is the way? Lentens Brunotti board apparently weighs a ton, needs it for his landings or something
schmik
schmik
NSW
235 posts
NSW, 235 posts
4 Mar 2007 5:56pm
I have a mountainboard deck that is an example of lighter and stronger. Most decks are 12-14mm thick. I got a custom one in solid carbon that is 6mm in places and 8mm in other places. It is much lighter and stronger. I guess this could happen to twintips too.

I am no board shaper but how does a super skinny rail work?

I know carbon is expensive but how much can a board go up. Most are over $1000 already.

mike
Kitehard
Kitehard
WA
2782 posts
WA, 2782 posts
4 Mar 2007 4:00pm
Hi Cassie,

Carbon Fibre and Kevlar and the resins they are bound by, all fatigue over time. Repeated poundings eventually stack up to a point where they will fail.

This information was passed on to me by the Airush quality and design control guys. These guys spend all of their time trying new materials and combinations of lay ups and also processes of building and curing to try and build the ultimate board light weight versus strength.

Check out what goes into a board here http://www.airush.com/products/bd_tech.asp There's so much more to it that just vacuum bagging a bunch of carbon around a foam core.

Good winds,

elizabethb
elizabethb
QLD
2081 posts
QLD, 2081 posts
4 Mar 2007 6:32pm


MiniCarve Longboard Sk8boards [}:)]

gruezi
gruezi
WA
3464 posts
WA, 3464 posts
4 Mar 2007 5:45pm
Just my thought on board "strength."

I would like that my board breaks before my bones.
RayQ
RayQ
WA
638 posts
WA, 638 posts
4 Mar 2007 6:01pm
custom boards breaking quicker than productions is not true, a custom board is usually better made by pros. All these production boards come out of sweat shops in asia, high production, and they are heavy cause its not a quallity product, hugh margin for shops and low recalls is what is wanted after mass breakage in the early days of kiting.
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