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kiter222
kiter222
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14 Aug 2009 1:31pm
Has anyone noticed on the new boating guidelines from parks victoria that the main beach at altona has now been classified as a 5 knot zone out to the end of the pier. I thought when the guidelines were first brought up that the whole beach from the pier to apex park was a designated kiting zone .

It also has a proposed rigging area on the map in apex park which is pretty absurd .
Does this mean we now cannot kite the main beach?

also was talking to the council who are bringing out new local laws and was told they might be banning rigging on main beach from pier to romawi st in line with the parks victoria guidelines.
Which leaves us with a very narrow beach to rig right next to road and power lines.

The council laws i am waiting for confirmation of however does anyone know of the parks victoria boating regs and if i am correct with the 5 knot zone on main beach
djdojo
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14 Aug 2009 6:37pm
i haven't trawled through the finer details yet but if that's true then i'll be a lot more motivated to offer both the state government and the council my two cents.

in my experience altona has both one of the lowest levels of competition between kiters and other beach users and one of the more considerate and safety-conscious group of kiters compared to other popular melbourne spots. sometimes i think some kiters get too close to the pier, but for the council to push the rigging zone past romawi st seems ridiculous. a brief glance at a map shows that most kiters rig at the safest spot already, near the end of mcbain st.

kiter222, do you know why the council are thinking of pushing the rigging area down the beach? it often seems that there are more families with kids paddling in the shallows and doing other stuff on the beach near romawi st.

i'm not aware of any incidents at altona that would warrant a change. self-regulation seems to be working pretty well there. if it ain't broke, don't fix it say i.

somehow i also have a sense that any council laws may be enforced more strongly than state laws (just a hunch, as victoria has a lot of coastline but the kite spots in altona can be patrolled in a few minutes) so some dialogue with council may be in order.
Saffer
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14 Aug 2009 7:08pm
Would it not have something to do with some people hitting the powerlines?
RAL INN
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14 Aug 2009 7:15pm
the original proposal was that from the street (McBain i think) straight out and towards pier was a kiting no go zone.

I put in a submission that the boundary be from Mcbain street to the end of the pier at least so as we could at least tack away from beach.

got a thanks for my submission and that was it till a couple of altered drafts were sent to me but no idea that anything was actually put in place.

Do we know if this has been set in stone?
KiteboardingVic
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14 Aug 2009 7:54pm
Two KBV Committee Members attended a recent Hobsons Bay [Altona] Council Meeting regarding the kiting zones at Altona. They are to report back shortly with a draft submission to council. If you wish to be involved in that process please contact KBV.
kiter222
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14 Aug 2009 10:19pm
The new council bylaws have not been approved yet . The council basically doesnt want any kiting near the pier.

The guy i talked to in charge of this area of the new bylaws said the council ( in charge of the beach ) was going to set the designated kiting areas on the beach for rigging up to match the new parks victoria (in charge of the water ) boating zones .

i.e rigging up only allowed on the beach past romawi st to apex park on the end.
On the water a 5 knot zone from pier to romawi and kiting allowed in water from romawi to apex .

Nothing set yet as laws havent been passed and as from above post looks like kvb are already looking into it .
djdojo
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15 Aug 2009 3:04am
RAL INN said...

the original proposal was that from the street (McBain i think) straight out and towards pier was a kiting no go zone.

I put in a submission that the boundary be from Mcbain street to the end of the pier at least so as we could at least tack away from beach.

got a thanks for my submission and that was it till a couple of altered drafts were sent to me but no idea that anything was actually put in place.

Do we know if this has been set in stone?


mcbain to the pier as a no go zone i could accept, but having to rig and kite past romawi st is just silly. who else wants to use that stretch of beach when its 15 knots or more? it seems obvious that the extra beach width near mcbain is a safer rigging and launching spot.

go kbv go!!!
kiter222
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15 Aug 2009 9:32am
It is great kbv are going to council with a submission but we can all have a say about the new kiting rules by filling in a feedback form on the hobsons council website. www.hobsonsbay.vic.gov.au under revised local laws
( sorry im too old to know how to add a link)

It may help if as well as the kbv submissions they receive some comments from us .
So if you use altona beach to kite tell the council how these regulations are going to affect you .
djdojo
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15 Aug 2009 11:41am
awesome, cheers, i'll be writing something today.

i'll be arguing on safety grounds and on the strength of good self-regulation that we should be able to rig and kite from mcbain st west.

what do other altona regulars think?
koma
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15 Aug 2009 6:32pm
djdojo said...

awesome, cheers, i'll be writing something today.

i'll be arguing on safety grounds and on the strength of good self-regulation that we should be able to rig and kite from mcbain st west.

what do other altona regulars think?


I'd be pushing for a 'no kiting east of Sargood St' which basically means to keep a 100m clearance from the pier - which most sensible kiters do anyway. Everyone usually rigs and rides from Mcbain St so thats definitely the proposed rigging site (just west from Mcbain St).
How can we go about getting some signage put up at Altona just like the ones at Brighton and St Kilda?
That signage really helps non-locals as well as the general public.
KiteboardingVic
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15 Aug 2009 11:39pm
In mid June KBV held a Safety Forum in conjunction with Parks Victoria. The Forum was initiated by KBV and hosted at the City of Port Phillip Offices one evening. Attendees included Marine Safety Victoria, Parks Victoria, Life Saving Victoria and representatives of a CoPP, City of Frankston and City of Bayside [Brighton]. Despite weeks of planning a number of other councils were invited but could not attend. Three KBV Committee Members ran the meeting. The agenda and draft minutes are posted on the KBV Website.
Key to discussions was the need for further signage both for the guidance of kiters and also beach users.
Parks Victoria indicated that they intended to role out similar signage that exists at StKilda, Brighton and Point Henry as the Boating Zones were formally established. KBV will attempt to find out when this may be. In the meantime we will be calling upon local kiters to assist in the content of the signs so they properly address the safety issues for each individual location.
RAL INN
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17 Aug 2009 9:17am
One of the key features or factors to include in your submissions is the issue of PARKING.

if it is noted to the council that the Mcbain street option allows safer parking, less congested street, and safer distance from powerlines and road etc. for kite rigging. then these are issues councils understand.

then argue that the kiting zone need to extend out at an angle to allow kiting away from beach.

also include that the area they are proposing to push us to, is also the area where most injuries have occurred due to the unpredictable shift etc. of the sandbars.

Councils are concerned with the possibility of insurance claims more than anything else and the above issues ring those bells.
superlizard
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17 Aug 2009 4:16pm
djdojo said...

awesome, cheers, i'll be writing something today.

i'll be arguing on safety grounds and on the strength of good self-regulation that we should be able to rig and kite from mcbain st west.

what do other altona regulars think?


fully agree. I'm very dissapointed with these new rules in general, but it sort of makes sense to exclude area near the pier for kiting (from public 'feel safe' point of view). Another thing is that altona is empty during most really good wind days, because it's cold, and hardly any public is there. I think the regulation should be specific to the peak season only.. for example, how many people are on the beach in october when it's 18-19 degrees days with chilly seabreezes?

I'm also contacting the council today, and am ready to provide support to KBV if needed... please let us know if any meetings with council need to be organise if our support is required...

cheers

slatimer
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19 Aug 2009 10:43am
It is great that we can all have a unaminous voice on this, keep it up and go on the council site to air your views.

The main reason for the move by council is because they are extending the depth of the beach to facilitate more people using it. so they foresee a lot more bathers and beach users.
I've been dealing with council for well over a year with this and it is no way set in stone, they have said that they will concider extending the beach works to give us a larger beach rigging area after Romawi st.
Parking and kiters close to the road and power lines is a major issue for this rigging area, it needs to be moved back to were we all rigg now anyway. (Mcbain)
safety is the one thing council understands.
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