cabrinha pro kit

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LethalLeigh
LethalLeigh
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23 Sep 2009 9:32pm
has anyone got or tried the new setup and does the swivel on the chickenloop stop the lines twisting as they claim
kiter77
kiter77
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23 Sep 2009 10:04pm
Swivel on the chicken loop is a joke, it means you can manually untwist the lines by turning the release knob.
For a swivel to work it must have less friction than the twist in the lines, it is'nt going to happen with this swivel.
Matt C
Matt C
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24 Sep 2009 12:36pm
i have the swivel, and it doesnt stop it from twisting, just gota do it by hand
Gorgo
Gorgo
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24 Sep 2009 6:04pm
My spies tell me the pro kit doesn't have a noticable effect on handling and that it is not worth doing.

My old Switchblades have the swivel on the chicken loop. I like that you can reach down and unwind the lines any time you like.
stabber
stabber
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24 Sep 2009 9:14pm
yet another " advance" promoted and tested by non-kiters....rushed to the masses.
Like computers, If they got it right years ago, they'd be outa biz....'cause no-one would have to update!
so lets sugar coat some sp!t and hopefully they won't taste it
kitecroc
kitecroc
SA
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24 Sep 2009 9:22pm
I have used the Pro kit back to back with standard IDS lines on the new Switchblade IDS X 12m. The idea of the Pro kit is it brings the V of the front lines closer to the bar which, on the 12m makes it turn a little faster, makes it easier for school kite instructors to untangle kite lines quicker when learners invert lines and for the guys doing lots of loops and stuff to manually spin there front lines. I hope this helps Lethal.

Cheers Croc
michel
michel
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25 Sep 2009 8:20am
Its not neccessarily designed to be better but an alternative setup to the standard IDS,some people preferred the bar and loop set up prior IDS so this kit gives you both IDS(not quite as easy to reach but still there) and the benefits of switchblade 3 set up.some may feel it turns quicker,but there are a few variables that may play a part in that,personally i def prefer the centre lines coming all the way down and the swivel on the loop so i can easily untwist the lines rather than always looping my kite to untwist them,because in the surf i tend to loop one way depending on direction im surfing.
Pedro Sexton
Pedro Sexton
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116 posts
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25 Sep 2009 12:23pm
Does anyone know if this 'pro kit' comes standard with kite or is it an added extra? If so how much does it cost?

Also can it be adapted to 2009 IDS bar?

Web searches so far seem to be coming up with nothing except Cabrinha site.
odetojak
odetojak
NSW
54 posts
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25 Sep 2009 1:07pm
regardless of whether any swivels work all the time or not, i think "within reach" is the most critical thing about a swivel..

the bar I've been using has a swivel which works about 20% of the time, and i can certainly live it not working - that's not a problem really as it can be quickly adjusted by hand to undo the line wrap.. My real issue with it is that it is so far down the lines and well out of reach, that i have to completely stop, pull in the front lines down to where my hands can reach it before i can turn it (hence dragging the leading edge of the kite down too), then suddenly releasing it back up into the air - all in a truly remarkably unsafe manner..

so having a swivel located close to you, whether it works or it doesn't, is definitely a great big bonus in my book, so i wouldn't knock that setup at all from the sounds of it..

it doesn't sound like it actually works, but it doesn't work in a very good way!
kitecroc
kitecroc
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25 Sep 2009 12:55pm
Pedro Sexton said...

Does anyone know if this 'pro kit' comes standard with kite or is it an added extra? If so how much does it cost?

Also can it be adapted to 2009 IDS bar?

Web searches so far seem to be coming up with nothing except Cabrinha site.


No, the Pro kit is only an optional extra and will not come standard. From what i have heard it will sell for around $90, but please don't quote me on that one. It will not fit an 09 bar unfortunately, i did ask that question.

The down side is that the IDS safety release is up by the V of the front lines. So in an emergency it is harder to get to.
Gorgo
Gorgo
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25 Sep 2009 2:22pm
The pro-kit comes with a single line extension to match the existing line extension.

There's nothing to stop you upgrading the 09 system to the 2010 system. All the relevant parts are available as spares and you can make all the various line extensions with high quality line from a yachting shop.

If you can't do that then you probably should not be thinking about ditching the stock IDS safety.

BTW All I know about the pro-kit is from watching the vid and talking to people who have used it. I wouldn't pay much attention to me if I were you. You need to look at the system and make up your own mind. See above.
Pedro Sexton
Pedro Sexton
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116 posts
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25 Sep 2009 3:50pm
Cheers for the info. I will have a chat to SHQ or Kitepower and find out.

From what I can see on the video I think the set up will be better for me (opinions will obviously differ) and I like the idea.
djdojo
djdojo
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25 Sep 2009 6:41pm
some questions for those of you fortunate enough to have the switchy idsx. the kites look awesome for what i do but the bar and line setup seems a schmozzle.

so the "pro kit" basically reverts the bar and lines to something like the sb3 bar?

i ride sb3s and they have so much depower on the chicken loop i don't know why you'd need more. is ids just a crock?

could you use an idsx switchy on an sb3 bar (mine are both still in great condition)?

pearl
pearl
NSW
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25 Sep 2009 7:08pm
michel said...

Its not neccessarily designed to be better but an alternative setup to the standard IDS,some people preferred the bar and loop set up prior IDS so this kit gives you both IDS(not quite as easy to reach but still there) and the benefits of switchblade 3 set up.some may feel it turns quicker,but there are a few variables that may play a part in that,personally i def prefer the centre lines coming all the way down and the swivel on the loop so i can easily untwist the lines rather than always looping my kite to untwist them,because in the surf i tend to loop one way depending on direction im surfing.


^^^^^^Yep^^^^^^

I have the pro kit on one of my bars. The stock bar is the safest option with a light, smooth bar feeling. The pro kit has a fraz more pressure on the bar, but also a little more feeling and steering control. I prefer the pro kit cos I rarely throw the kite to IDS, but like the ability to reach up to one of my front lines when self landing and being able to unspin front lines manually. It's very similar to the SB3 bar except there is a neat grab handle above your depowers that activates the IDS.
Hey Dj, I think the IDSX is the best yet, very smooth in the air, but time will tell if there is a weakness. The SB3 was a classic kite. I personally though their only weakness was turning speed in the bigger sizes, and limited wind range. If you're happy with the range, hang onto it.

kitecroc
kitecroc
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513 posts
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25 Sep 2009 10:14pm
djdojo said...
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i ride sb3s and they have so much depower on the chicken loop i don't know why you'd need more. is ids just a crock?





The IDS has nothing to do with depower, it's a safety system. Works in much the same fashion as the 5th line on a C kite when you fire the quick release just above the chicken loop.
sir ROWDY
sir ROWDY
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5378 posts
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27 Sep 2009 2:59pm
Another thread with people who have some real knowledge, getting red thumbed... LOL.
What do you red thumbers want? All positive brand pimping? You might as well just stick to reading the company's press releases.
sir ROWDY
sir ROWDY
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27 Sep 2009 8:17pm
what ya mean? i've been here 24/7...
sir ROWDY
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27 Sep 2009 8:18pm
p.s. here's another post to waste your thumbs on kooks.
fiketto
fiketto
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57 posts
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28 Sep 2009 8:34am
Gorgo said...

My spies tell me the pro kit doesn't have a noticable effect on handling and that it is not worth doing.

My old Switchblades have the swivel on the chicken loop. I like that you can reach down and unwind the lines any time you like.


The pro Kit for The new 2010 Ids is only have a main different. You can stop your session much easier without tangle the line in strong wind condition and ready to restart without reseting all the lines. Better using your hands to untwist the line other than stop your session. With the basic kit you MUST stop and roll your self in the opposite direction of the roll that you made it in the last trick... really dangerous in strong wind condition.

My vote for the IDS PRO is 8/10
kiting kid
kiting kid
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219 posts
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28 Sep 2009 10:27am
pro kit would be so much easier to use than standed IDS which is why i didn't buy them in the first place.
self landing has just been made a whole lot easier due to pro kit aswell.
9/10 for the kit
treedweller
treedweller
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59 posts
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28 Sep 2009 5:29pm
so if you cannot either do another rotation in the opposite direction on the same tack or reverse your tack and do the rotation.(kook) then you need the pro kit. Kook Kit.
kiter77
kiter77
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273 posts
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28 Sep 2009 8:02pm
Anyone got a pic of this Kook Kit ? Self landing the IDS is a pain, not being able to pull on the front line .
bennie
bennie
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29 Sep 2009 1:02am
kitecroc said...

. The idea of the Pro kit is it brings the V of the front lines closer to the bar which, makes it easier for the guys doing lots of loops and stuff to manually spin there front lines.

Cheers Croc


I haven't used the Ids setup, but I have seen that in the stock setup there is a swivel that the centre lines attach too. Are u saying that in the stock mode the centre lines don't untwist via that swivel, if thats the case what is the swivel for?
Wisha
Wisha
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29 Sep 2009 1:17am
Core ESP bar...whole lot of joy!! Pull bar in, watch them unspin!
kiter77
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29 Sep 2009 11:50am
bennie said...

kitecroc said...

. The idea of the Pro kit is it brings the V of the front lines closer to the bar which, makes it easier for the guys doing lots of loops and stuff to manually spin there front lines.

Cheers Croc


I haven't used the Ids setup, but I have seen that in the stock setup there is a swivel that the centre lines attach too. Are u saying that in the stock mode the centre lines don't untwist via that swivel, if thats the case what is the swivel for?


Very simple, like any other Cabrinha swivel, people look at it and think " great a swivel to untwist the lines " only after purchase to realise yeah, okey, here we go again, looks good but does nothing.
Scotty99
Scotty99
NSW
144 posts
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29 Sep 2009 12:25pm
The swivel is not the issue, anything that gets rid of the Incredibly Dumb System though has to be an improvement.

Getting rid of the IDS was the first job when the 2009 SB IDS turned up, the pro kit does it for you for 2010 but with a $90 premium. Spend the money if you want to or just take the IDS off and treat it like the 2008 SBs.

My opinion only, take it or leave it......
Paul1
Paul1
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1011 posts
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29 Sep 2009 12:50pm
Daisy said...

The swivel is not the issue, anything that gets rid of the Incredibly Dumb System though has to be an improvement.

Getting rid of the IDS was the first job when the 2009 SB IDS turned up, the pro kit does it for you for 2010 but with a $90 premium. Spend the money if you want to or just take the IDS off and treat it like the 2008 SBs.

My opinion only, take it or leave it......


What's dumb about the IDS? Being able to self land your kite safely and easily in 30 knots is awesome, I kite on my own a lot and reckon this system is the dogs nuts.

Scotty99
Scotty99
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29 Sep 2009 1:00pm
It complicates a very safe way of handling the kite.

kiter77
kiter77
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29 Sep 2009 1:24pm
Daisy said...

The swivel is not the issue, anything that gets rid of the Incredibly Dumb System though has to be an improvement.

Getting rid of the IDS was the first job when the 2009 SB IDS turned up, the pro kit does it for you for 2010 but with a $90 premium. Spend the money if you want to or just take the IDS off and treat it like the 2008 SBs.

My opinion only, take it or leave it......


How do you take the IDS off? Do you mean using a 08 bar and lines and connecting the safety onto the outside line if need be?
kitecroc
kitecroc
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513 posts
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29 Sep 2009 1:14pm
IDS, is a very good system, i know when i was self landing my SB3 it was a job and a half in over 25 knots. Under 20 knots it wasn't a problem. I have used my IDS in 35 + knots and it worked perfectly and also when a large piece of seaweed got tangled in my lines and started to make my kite loop uncontrolably. I find that it only takes me about a minutes to reset the IDS after i have deployed it.

I liked the Pro kit aswell and will probably fit it to my 12m when it arrives. But i will leave my smaller (7&9m) kites with the standard IDS bar.

As Daisy said, this is just my opinion. Like anything, i believe you should try it and make your own decision.

Paul1
Paul1
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29 Sep 2009 5:15pm
Daisy said...

It complicates a very safe way of handling the kite.




I don't see why its complicated at all? Its extremely tidy and simple to use, I personally have never had a single issue with it.

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