Has anyone devised a system on the ids that actually allows the lines to untwist unassisted? The swivel on the chicken loop is a manual only untwist.

I actually like the pro kit but it doesn't seem to effect turning on the SB as far as I can tell. That may be different for the Nomad.

The downside of the IDS was the increased wear when the lines twist, I had my first IDS line part 3 weeks after I got it on the 2009 SB.

For me personally, removing the IDS and riding suicide cleans up the bar, removes what I found was a weak point and if I still need to I can reach above the bar and grab the front lines to completely flag the kite.

The pro kit is simply a more refined version of what I was doing anyway. Lots of money though I reckon for a new chicken loop and a bit of line

Riding suicide on a bar with such a massive throw is still a very soft option compared to kites of old but it helps explain the set up!

just watched the cab pro kit installation vid. basically looks like you can just run the new kites on an sb3 bar and just grab the centrelines above the bar and the ids bridle still functions. you could easily put stainless rings on the centre lines at the triangle and leash to them for self-landing if you're uncomfortable pulling one front line as you drop the kite down the side of the window.

manual below bar unspin is good. i am not a kook just cos i don't want to have to loop my kite exactly the same number of times each way each session.

if cab sold the new switchies without the bar and for $500 less i might buy one. as it is, i'll squeeze another season out of the sb3s.

ids pro kit = pay more just to get back the features that ids removed from the 2008 bar. perhaps you'll save your $80 back through reduced line wear???

i reckon it should be a cost-free option at point of sale: ids or pro kit for the base price then pay extra only if you want both.