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cabstar
cabstar
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3 Nov 2008 10:51pm
i was ridding my 10 meter co2 when the wind picked up rapidly so i decided it would be safer to pull my saftey on kite than try and land it by my self.

so i pulled my saftey then my fith line snapped causing my kite to go flying down the beach with my bar dragging along the ground behind it.i only started to panic when i sawq he bar dragging alog towards a group of ndians sitting drinking on the beach . then all of a sudden one of the guys got closelined by my bar and lines.
luckly my dad had just pulled up in the car and ran down the beach to check on the guy he was out cold on the ground with a massive burn line on his neck.

luckly he woke up and didnt want and ambulance and walked a way with just a cancussion and he and his mates didnt bash or sue me.
lostinlondon
lostinlondon
VIC
1159 posts
VIC, 1159 posts
3 Nov 2008 11:24pm
The fact he didn't want to get the authorities involved suggests maybe he is trying to avoid them himself! I think you had some bad luck and some good luck at the same time. Bad luck being you had an equipment failure, good luck that the guy didn't want to take your name and get the authorities involved (I would have)

I think if anything your story highlights the need to check your gear, but even if you had done that this could have happened, so the other side is the need to get kiter's 3rd party insurance mate. Stuff happens even with the best precautions and that's what the insurance is all about.
axis
axis
VIC
399 posts
VIC, 399 posts
3 Nov 2008 11:26pm
Where did this happen? Very Lucky!

Timely reminder to check all your gear as Summer is almost upon us.
Smedg
Smedg
NSW
836 posts
NSW, 836 posts
3 Nov 2008 11:31pm
this seems dodgey as man. i'd contact your insurer AKSA if you are insured. man that poor guy. did you manage to talk to him or exchange detail or anything? Good advice in thread heading....... You need endless space down wind to be safe when flagging to one line i reckon, just incase. If I have to do it I'd rather do it into the water. that way its a bit safer as you got a way better chance of chasing and catching it if something goes wrong. Yeah, this is real bad man. you aren't a troll are u?? I hope so.
Charl dv
Charl dv
WA
2485 posts
WA, 2485 posts
3 Nov 2008 10:39pm
good luck that the guy didn't want to take your name and get the authorities involved (I would have)


if you go to authorities about something like that youd be a sad sad person... **** accidents happen, i got caught in a fishermans ganghooks the other weekend should i go dob them into the cops aswell?

him not involving authorities might just be because hes a good person and realise it was an accident.

yes you should check your gear regularly, its amazing you didnt spot the fault whilst walking out your lines?
lostinlondon
lostinlondon
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1159 posts
VIC, 1159 posts
4 Nov 2008 2:22am
Charl dv said...

good luck that the guy didn't want to take your name and get the authorities involved (I would have)


if you go to authorities about something like that youd be a sad sad person... **** accidents happen, i got caught in a fishermans ganghooks the other weekend should i go dob them into the cops aswell?

him not involving authorities might just be because hes a good person and realise it was an accident.

yes you should check your gear regularly, its amazing you didnt spot the fault whilst walking out your lines?


Mate, its not about dobbing someone in for the accident, it's about covering yourself in the future, if I was injured because of someone else's property (car/bicycle/kite) and I wasn't at fault (ie. sitting on the beach with my mates having some tinnies enjoying the day), and that injury goes on to result in long term medical treatment, or days lost from work (I'm self employed, a day off means no pay) I would seek to be compensated for my loss. If I suffered a blow to the head that knocked me out I definitely would chase it up with a medical checkup. Head injuries can be funny in that you can feel fine straight after the accident but deteriorate in the hours after.

Yeah, accidents do happen but at the end of the day you have to be responsible for your gear, and that means ensuring you check it over for any obvious defects, and also ensuring you have kiter's insurance. I'm not saying Cabstar was irresponsible, and he is just trying to tell us to be vigilant with our own gear, as it is the start of the season. I think its a good experience for all of us to learn from.
lovey
lovey
NSW
177 posts
NSW, 177 posts
4 Nov 2008 7:34am
While i agree that head injuries (esp. concussions) are no joke and should be treated with care, what would be achieved by going to the authorities to report every accident that ever happens, except to get kiting banned from more beaches?

I'm self employed and if i was injured and unable to work because of AN ACCIDENT - and gear failure is simply that - then i'm hardly going to go and prosecute the bloke that did it to me. That's what my sickness and accident cover is for.

Next thing we'll have tourists taking us to court over neck injuries they sustained 'cause they stared too long at our "paragliders" while asking us is it any fun? is it hard to learn? what stops you blowing off into the air...
webby7
webby7
QLD
145 posts
QLD, 145 posts
4 Nov 2008 11:04am
i've got to agree, reporting accidents is a bit over the top. if i reported every time that i got knocked out by accident or split open i'd be constantly in the station. grow some balls and stop wasting the authorities time. while there out checking out your cut there could be someone else missing out on treatment who may really need it.
P.S in saying all that i think i might take your advice and get the kiting insurance
burley
burley
VIC
132 posts
VIC, 132 posts
4 Nov 2008 12:09pm
Maybe the guy couldn't speak English cabstar.he he
That co2 should be given to James anyway. It's about time he grew some balls and come out for a session.
KIT33R
KIT33R
NSW
1716 posts
NSW, 1716 posts
4 Nov 2008 12:22pm
How old were your lines. A CO2 is an old kite. Replace all your lines now and check all other aspects of your equipment via the local kite store. I hope the guy does not go to your local council and suggest banning kiting on this beach. If your not an AKSA member you should join.

I can't believe people are bagging out an innocent beach goer for being hit by a run-away kite!
webby7
webby7
QLD
145 posts
QLD, 145 posts
4 Nov 2008 11:25am
KIT33R said...

How old were your lines. A CO2 is an old kite. Replace all your lines now and check all other aspects of your equipment via the local kite store. I hope the guy does not go to your local council and suggest banning kiting on this beach. If your not an AKSA member you should join.

I can't believe people are bagging out an innocent beach goer for being hit by a run-away kite!


i'm not in anyway bagging out the beach goer, just saying that going to the authorities to report an accident is over the top. this guy didn't do that, he just shook it off and continued on. which is what we're saying was a good thing
KIT33R
KIT33R
NSW
1716 posts
NSW, 1716 posts
4 Nov 2008 1:04pm
"The fact he didn't want to get the authorities involved suggests maybe he is trying to avoid them himself! "

Maybe the guy couldn't speak English cabstar.he he"

"Next thing we'll have tourists taking us to court over neck injuries they sustained 'cause they stared too long at our "paragliders" while asking us is it any fun? is it hard to learn? what stops you blowing off into the air..."

This seems like bagging out to me.

We're luck he was a good bloke and shrugged it off as most of us would.
webby7
webby7
QLD
145 posts
QLD, 145 posts
4 Nov 2008 12:08pm
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"Next thing we'll have tourists taking us to court over neck injuries they sustained 'cause they stared too long at our "paragliders" while asking us is it any fun? is it hard to learn? what stops you blowing off into the air..."

This seems like bagging out to me.

We're luck he was a good bloke and shrugged it off as most of us would.


fair enough with the other two entries but this one was just lovely saying that if everyone followed lostinlondon's advice tourist would be taking us to court over crap.
i completely agree with you, i was bagging out lostinlondon saying he would have involved the authorities
Kadkhah
Kadkhah
WA
381 posts
WA, 381 posts
4 Nov 2008 12:18pm
1) Last Wednesday 29/10/2008 another one of us lost the control of his kite at Leighton beach and crashed me while I was standing at the shore and I have a black eye right now. I've stood up and I even helped him to launch his kite again. Being forgiving have nothing to do with talking English or nationality and if they were drinking at the beach and they didn't harm anyone they were cool guys, how many times have you drink a beer at the beach? never?

2) I've been looking to learn paramotor for winter days that we don't have enough wind for kite surfing and then I realized that they are recording the hours that they use their paragliders and they have to replace their lines after some standard hours. I think we need the same standard on kite surfing.
(PS I'm not Indian lol)

Good Wind
Alex
sebol
sebol
WA
753 posts
WA, 753 posts
4 Nov 2008 12:20pm
If I had to describe the worse thing about where Australia is heading, this is it.

Leave this crap to the yanks, every time someone sues and seeks compensation, the only beneficiary is the over inflated justice system.

You are forgiving your every liberty for the Wright to seek compensation.
Councils can not bear the price of expensive law suits so they are forced to enforce a no fun zone.

You can not feed the ducks at your local lake with your kids (as you probably did with your dad) because some dumb $$%k sued them because a geese bit his daughter's finger and he won the jackpot.

Leisure areas are slowly getting overcome with warning signs as councils are trying to clearly display their legal waiver.

Playground are becoming "safe", what a sad state of affair.

People will sue because they have a spinal injury from body surfing in the waves at Scarborough and there were no warning signs!!!! (Luckily he lost).

I fully acknowledge the Wright to sue someone or a company as a mean of punishment for their wrong doing but any compensation should never be allocated to the victim but instead distributed to charities.

This would cancel any busll $%^t law suit from people "slipping" at the pub and if you do get a genuine claim due to injury or trauma sustained, you would probably be better treated as the organisations designed to help you would be well funded.

It will never happen in my life time as too many lawyers and associated depend on this forgery to generate their over inflated incomes and they have the right connections and pressure lobbies.

For the record, I have third party cover, I am self employed, I have income protection insurance and I have deliberately chosen to not pursue a claim against a Perth Hospital who inadvertently mixed up wrongly the medicines administrated and killed me then revived me on the table (despite the advice of the sick ambulance chasers and my dear missus opinion).

I don't believe that the innocent bystander on the beach was hiding from the government; I believe you were lucky enough to find a decent human being and should cherish this moment as it will be soon long gone.

Sorry for the long rant, it just happens to be an issue very close to my heart and if people agree with my opinion, I am willing to start an online petition or some sort of protest as I won't go down without screaming
sunseeker
sunseeker
QLD
1203 posts
QLD, 1203 posts
4 Nov 2008 1:39pm
If I was the guy on the beach I'd at least be expecting a carton as a sorry gesture. The truth in the matter is exactly what the heading says. Regulate yourself and check your gear regularly before we have to get regulated. Complacency is the root of many deaths and accidents. If it had been my kid that was hit by the bar and lines or someone elses kid then the situation would have been different.

Why did you mention that they were Indians - does that matter? And if he couldn't speak English would that matter too?
webby7
webby7
QLD
145 posts
QLD, 145 posts
4 Nov 2008 1:42pm
sebol said...

If I had to describe the worse thing about where Australia is heading, this is it.

Leave this crap to the yanks, every time someone sues and seeks compensation, the only beneficiary is the over inflated justice system.

You are forgiving your every liberty for the Wright to seek compensation.
Councils can not bear the price of expensive law suits so they are forced to enforce a no fun zone.

You can not feed the ducks at your local lake with your kids (as you probably did with your dad) because some dumb $$%k sued them because a geese bit his daughter's finger and he won the jackpot.

Leisure areas are slowly getting overcome with warning signs as councils are trying to clearly display their legal waiver.

Playground are becoming "safe", what a sad state of affair.

People will sue because they have a spinal injury from body surfing in the waves at Scarborough and there were no warning signs!!!! (Luckily he lost).

I fully acknowledge the Wright to sue someone or a company as a mean of punishment for their wrong doing but any compensation should never be allocated to the victim but instead distributed to charities.

This would cancel any busll $%^t law suit from people "slipping" at the pub and if you do get a genuine claim due to injury or trauma sustained, you would probably be better treated as the organisations designed to help you would be well funded.

It will never happen in my life time as too many lawyers and associated depend on this forgery to generate their over inflated incomes and they have the right connections and pressure lobbies.

For the record, I have third party cover, I am self employed, I have income protection insurance and I have deliberately chosen to not pursue a claim against a Perth Hospital who inadvertently mixed up wrongly the medicines administrated and killed me then revived me on the table (despite the advice of the sick ambulance chasers and my dear missus opinion).

I don't believe that the innocent bystander on the beach was hiding from the government; I believe you were lucky enough to find a decent human being and should cherish this moment as it will be soon long gone.

Sorry for the long rant, it just happens to be an issue very close to my heart and if people agree with my opinion, I am willing to start an online petition or some sort of protest as I won't go down without screaming



long rant but fair.
i'll sign the petition if you start it. you can't even defend yourself against an intruder without getting sued these days.
hoskoau
hoskoau
NSW
100 posts
NSW, 100 posts
4 Nov 2008 2:43pm
If your a member of the NSWKBA is that the same insurance as the AKSA??

Edit: Yeah the AKSA website leads you to your local state association.
burley
burley
VIC
132 posts
VIC, 132 posts
4 Nov 2008 3:47pm
Right on the money Sebol.
**** just happens and to many people take it personally.
Charl dv
Charl dv
WA
2485 posts
WA, 2485 posts
4 Nov 2008 2:22pm
fully agreed sebol. had this exact discussion with my old man who lives in england and he said he cant stand how people react over stupid little things and how backwards the country is going.


off topic: is it true that there can no longer be a winning and loosing side in school sports as its emotionally damaging to kids or some bs like that?

why dont we just wrap the world in bubble wrap so no1 can get hurt?
Smedg
Smedg
NSW
836 posts
NSW, 836 posts
4 Nov 2008 10:19pm
sunseeker said...

If I was the guy on the beach I'd at least be expecting a carton as a sorry gesture. The truth in the matter is exactly what the heading says. Regulate yourself and check your gear regularly before we have to get regulated. Complacency is the root of many deaths and accidents. If it had been my kid that was hit by the bar and lines or someone elses kid then the situation would have been different.

Why did you mention that they were Indians - does that matter? And if he couldn't speak English would that matter too?


I agree.

I don't really know how it all works but it would be nice to think that if the poor guy needs a head xray or scan it would be nice if insurance paid for it... isn't that exactly what its for??

jumpindave
jumpindave
WA
124 posts
WA, 124 posts
4 Nov 2008 9:33pm
Some idiot didnt fill a crack in the pavement at my local and i tripped over it the other day, got a few cuts and couldnt work for a couple of days..... luckly i sued the stupid council for not fixing it.... easy half a mill..... those kiddies didnt need a park anyway....
Get real, this world is getting ridiculous.
Dave.
kitecrazzzy
kitecrazzzy
WA
2184 posts
WA, 2184 posts
4 Nov 2008 10:42pm
mine snapped at woodies offshore, should have remembered to go to suicide but forgot so when I came up from dropping what ever it was I saw my kite just keep going, switch caught it thankfully and I reunited the two ends of the line again.

Do not do what a friend of mine did when he was learning and tie them back together, the knot doesn't go though the bar and you get dragged around. luckily i noticed it before he discovered it.
cwamit
cwamit
WA
1194 posts
WA, 1194 posts
5 Nov 2008 8:06am
lostinlondon said...

The fact he didn't want to get the authorities involved suggests maybe he is trying to avoid them himself! I think you had some bad luck and some good luck at the same time. Bad luck being you had an equipment failure, good luck that the guy didn't want to take your name and get the authorities involved (I would have)

I think if anything your story highlights the need to check your gear, but even if you had done that this could have happened, so the other side is the need to get kiter's 3rd party insurance mate. Stuff happens even with the best precautions and that's what the insurance is all about.


i read somewhere...that if you injure a fellow kiter then iko insurance may not payout your cover for third party because the other kiter is also participating in a risky sport.

anyone able to confirm this? still better to have third party than none. not knocking the cover...

if you want to be financially covered from injury while kitesurfing, be that from your own mishaps or a mishap caused by another kiter, then taking some form of income protection insurance is only way to be totally covered.
sunseeker
sunseeker
QLD
1203 posts
QLD, 1203 posts
5 Nov 2008 10:37am
With regards to income protection insurance, I found that getting it through your super fund is way cheaper than through an insurance company and its paid for with pre-tax money
waveslave
waveslave
WA
4263 posts
WA, 4263 posts
5 Nov 2008 11:56am
cabstar said...
luckly my dad had just pulled up in the car and ran down the beach to check on the guy he was out cold on the ground with a massive burn line on his neck.

luckly he woke up and didnt want and ambulance and walked a way with just a cancussion and he and his mates didnt bash or sue me.


Hey Troll,
Did you say sorry to the dude ?
'cancussion'.......lol.

sunseeker
sunseeker
QLD
1203 posts
QLD, 1203 posts
5 Nov 2008 1:37pm
He could be trolling - however - he does have an ad in buy and sell that he needs a new bar and lines for a Cabrinha CO2 and another ad where he's selling a 10m CO2 kite only no bar and lines. That's a lot of effort to make the troll look real...?
andrewm
andrewm
WA
243 posts
WA, 243 posts
5 Nov 2008 12:54pm
sebol said...


For the record, I have third party cover, I am self employed, I have income protection insurance and I have deliberately chosen to not pursue a claim against a Perth Hospital who inadvertently mixed up wrongly the medicines administrated and killed me then revived me on the table (despite the advice of the sick ambulance chasers and my dear missus opinion).


And if they did not manage to revive you?



waveslave
waveslave
WA
4263 posts
WA, 4263 posts
5 Nov 2008 2:05pm
sunseeker said...

He could be trolling - however - he does have an ad in buy and sell that he needs a new bar and lines for a Cabrinha CO2 and another ad where he's selling a 10m CO2 kite only no bar and lines. That's a lot of effort to make the troll look real...?


Well,
If he's not trolling.....
then his attitude towards the beachgoing public is atrocious.
Instead of being concerned for the welfare of the victim, he's more worried about being sued....
and then he trivializes the brain injury with the 'just a cancussion' throw-away line.
lol.
But I'm pretty sure this is dumb-trolling.
Cabstar initiated the thread but hasn't responded since.
He's sitting back with a beverage and reading all the stupid replies.
cabstar
cabstar
VIC
328 posts
VIC, 328 posts
5 Nov 2008 5:17pm
afterwards i had a chat with the guys and they were all cool about it and reckond it looked like a fun sport.

and my lines werent even a season old and i was standing on the sand bar when i pulled my saftey.
Smedg
Smedg
NSW
836 posts
NSW, 836 posts
5 Nov 2008 5:27pm
yeah 'slaves on the money with his comments i reckon.

All this worry about sueing is a bit besides the point if cab does have insurance I think. I'm pretty sure that being insured means there is no need for sueing.

Gald everyone involved is cool about it. A good way to be.
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