hi my names germain im ganna start kiteboard im a windsurfer and love it but i think kite boarding got its advantages espesialy in the light wind stuff,iv been flying a train kite and am going to teach my self iv got a few istruction vids and i wonted to no is it worth buying a begginers 12m first or going the hole hog and buying a this north rhino that i might be able to get my hands on because after 6 month ill need a faster better kite anyway shold i just put up with the pro kite till i get the hang off it?????

THANKS ,CHEERS

GET LESSONS !!!!!!!

I got a Peter Lynn VenomII 13 four weeks ago and just walks all over the inflatables for beginners and experts alike. It has so many advantages:
1. self inflating - no pump needed
2. self launching/landing - no assistant needed
3. very very stable at depower/idle - no need to watch the kite - it just sits at 12 OClock all the time
4. very tight turning - excellent in low wind.
5. Very easy to relaunch from water crash - and unlike inflatables will not crash if one edge hits water - very forgiving
6. will not suffer weakening from wind action when parked on the ground - very long life kite

Only a few disadvantages:
1. Can luff in waves - not the best for beach kiting
2. Needs to be got out of water within 15 minutes - wont float forever like inflatable
3. "bowties" easily, but with just 4 lines its fairly easy to unbowtie it once you know how.

No kidding this is a kite that will last you for many years.

Oh and BTW, I'm from a waterskiing background and I never had a lesson (just watched videos & listened carefully to good advice from others).

I've post edited this (above) because although its true its a reckless comment to make.

Unless you dont mind risking serious injury, get lessons. This sport is potentially, extremely dangerous. I regret any offence to instructors.

im pretty sure this guys just trolling as firstly, he openly says hes not going to have lessons, he wants to buy a kite not suited to beginners, hes getting a big kite and he cant spell
all smells of troll but... sand groper your telling every kid/newb and his do that saving $200 and putting yourself in a dangerous situation is a good idea. [moderated]. maybe when you come down to a real kite beach, not one were everyone there is riding strapless and unhooked with out ant one else for hundreds of meters.
you obviously are not one of the peole who look at what the the begginers are doing. 2 days in a row i found people with their safety leashes clipped to the wrong place (both set so the kite would go into death loops 50m upwind of trees) and one had a thin plastic coated cable as a board leash. once you are doing your part to make kitesurfing safer and securing the future of the sport then you can tell people to tie themselves to a kite and go get shamed about.
[moderated].. hes on the other side of the country so neil isnt going to sell one of your favourite air mattresses.

If you know what you want to end up riding then buy it straight out...there are some kites out there that are beginner, "low performance", stable, slow, predictable etc..... but if you want to drive a manual car.... theres no point learning on an automatic , getting an auto license and then learning on the manual...
" But there are some people in the world that should never , EVER, EVER drive a manual "

If you have the skills and your from a windsurfing background and buy the right kite it won't make a difference apart from the performance you get out of it. some people will have different views and these are probably the people that themselves or know others that get an auto license before a manual of never ever drive manuals

1. shocking spelling... I'd be embarrassed, even with not having English for mother tongue, to spell things this bad on a public forum... Was that done on purpose or you're just not the sharpest tool in the box???
2. Sandgroper, really smart move to tell a beginner he doesn't need lessons... (everybody stands up and clap their hands! (we're all impressed by your amazing self-teaching ability,but may be not everyone is as gifted as you are....(and by the way.... a video won't open your quick release for you...An instructor will...)))
3. Haven't we already been over, and over and over again this question? (Germain, check the previous posts regarding how to get into kitesurfing... (it's actually quite straight forward: get lessons...))
4. I never really found that a windsurfing background was any help to the students. Windsurfers don't deal with the same wind than us at all, they do go out on off shore wind (safety standards are NOT the same), aren't affected by wind turbulences as bad as we are, and haven't any kite flying skills to start with. Yes wakeboarding background does help heaps for waterstart and board skills. Windsurfing doesn't.... but neither of them teaches you how to fly a kite....
5."beginner" kite or "pro" kite (can't be bothered expanding on that one...) you still need to learn to fly them to start with...
6. All together... totally agree with kitecrazzzy…
7. You wanted somebody to answer your question: GET LESSONS (check the replies above to make sure this is the right thing to do...). Then once you have enough experience to appreciate a kite performance, you can go for the kite you're feeling good with. The other way around doesn't quite work....

if the rhino comes with a fifth line safety system... it will be a good kite , given that you want to fly it in light winds anyway when your not windsurfing, then a 12 would be a good size aswell.

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Originally posted by sandgroper
Oh and BTW, I never had a lesson (just watched videos & listened carefully to good advice from others).

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Yeah right - keep your good advice to yourself Sandgroper.
Everyone please check this out :
www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=25228
If it wasnt so serious it would be hilarious. Lucky it was a tree not a family reunion he wrapped up.
Heres my good advice - if you havent got anything sensible to say keep your mouth shut
(and if you cant shut it at least dont shout it ) ha ha ha

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Originally posted by Kitehard

Hi Germain,

Lessons are a good idea, drop into your local store and ask who does lessons around your area. It may cost you a few hundred bucks, but thats nothing to what you can rack up in an ambulance on the way to the Emergency department.

Just check out a few of the stories on this website www.kitemare.com/kitemare-lessons-learned/

Just because you can ride doesn't mean you know what to do or how to act when the sh1t hits the fan.

Being a windsurfer only helps you with knowing which way the wind is coming from, the skills do not transfer across, flying a kite is not like hanging onto a boom.

Good luck and do the rest of the kiting communitty a favour and get a lesson.

Good winds,

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Actually this is quite a good point, go and get lessons. the instructor should run you through how to save your arse when your stuck off shore with a broken line and need to rescue your self, how to drag back to your board, where to rig, what to look for etc etc. much better than watching any dvd!

I used to windsurf, and sail etc etc.. windsurfing will give you the bad habbit of pulling on the bar and trying to take your weight on the bar. all very very wrong for kiting. its a habbit and a bad one. you'll also probably start off holding the bar with one had up and one down (i did) and its another bad habbit you will need to loose.

get the lessons..

EErrr..... uuummm...... ... how do you say... LESSON?
oh that's right... every one's said it, so just POSSIBLY it may be a good idea? .....

for the sake of saving a couple hundred of dollars, feel free to go out and kill yourself or someonelse, vids cant answer questions and spot when your about to do something wrong with painful consequences. get lessons you fool. people who think they can teach themselves are the worst!!!!!!!!

well i think germain died......

Germain, i had one lesson and have flown 4 line c kites for a year or so with no probs, i have mates that can kite well and taught themselves but i wouldn't recommend teaching yourself without an experienced kiter to help u.. if u decide to teach yourself, go to a quiet beach with a friend and make sure u know where the quick release is and how it works

jumpindave, how many times are you gonna call people silly bitch? It's gettin old and let me guess, you've kited 1- 1 1/2 seasons and you know it all.
Stop letting your mouth cash cheques your body cant carry and read the forum guidelines.....................