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Prepare
Prepare
WA
132 posts
WA, 132 posts
23 Feb 2006 11:22am
when i was looking around for a kite I was told by various shops that a 10m would be perfect for me weighing 67ks and id be able to get going in 12/13kts

well i want what they were smoking because I need at least 16/17kts.

so now I figure instead of buying another 2 C kites I should just spend the cash and get a bow. what size to get though? I would like a 12 but I dont want it to overlap to much with the 10m c02 i already have. basically i want to get out on the water as often as possible seeing as im still learning

at the moment im thinking a 16m will cover me in 10kts-17kts when i could switch to my 10m. Would this be ok? or is 16m to much to handle?

would appreciate some advice!!
bondo
bondo
QLD
699 posts
QLD, 699 posts
23 Feb 2006 1:31pm
the next step up would be a 14, a 12 bow *might* cover that range but you'd have to try it. I know that the 13m f-one tribal has sick low end so you might want to see if you can demo that.

also consider that you might be able to dramatically increase your 10m kites usable wind range with a larger, flatter board. I have a 2 kite, 2 board quiver and it works very well for me (12+18m kites, 142+152cm boards).
Hurrah
Hurrah
NSW
382 posts
NSW, 382 posts
23 Feb 2006 2:41pm
Prepare,

with your weight, a 16 will be too much to handle in my opinion as it is theoretically at least an 18m in C kite terms.

Get rid of the 10 and buy a 12 bow. This will more than suffice as a one kite quiver. to get down to the 12/13kts consistant you may need a light wind board and good technique to go upwind else it's downwinder. I ride only one kite at present 12 M crossbow and use a Surf board in light conditions of 12-15kts anything after 15 then the second board comes out 135 Airush Protoy 2006
Prepare
Prepare
WA
132 posts
WA, 132 posts
23 Feb 2006 12:59pm
thanks for the advice!

what i want to be able to do is get out on the water as much as possible. If I could I would sell the 10 and buy 2 new bows. but I cant afford that so what im trying to do is find the right size that will keep me on the water from 10kts up until the wind gets right for my 10m.

what i dont want to do is spend $1500 and have 2 kites that wind range overlap each other significantly.
azza
azza
1338 posts
1338 posts
23 Feb 2006 1:20pm
Bondo is quite right about the bigger board... you might not be out there boosting huge air, but you'll be out there. You can pick up a big board really cheaply if you look around, ask some of the "old farts" if they still have their early boards; these were usually big and floaty, just perfect for what you suggest you need.
Caelah
Caelah
WA
319 posts
WA, 319 posts
23 Feb 2006 2:01pm
Hey Hurrah,

I weigh 64kgs and have a 9m crossbow kite but have 3 boards and I alter the power on the kite dependant on wind speed. I personally don't see the point in going out in winds lighter than 12kts because it's just hard work.

My light wind board between 12-18kts is a 133cm x 40cm north dragon board
My mid range 18-25kts is a 122 underground flx board
for anything over that I use my 110cm undergroud flx board

Obviously it can vary depending on how gusty the wind is and how powered up I want to be.

I would suggest you purchase a 12m bow kite and get yourself a variety of boards, if you get a surfboard for those very light days you can always put the kite on the beach and go for a surf!! Otherwise take up a light wind sport like landboarding or mountain biking :-)

Try some out before you buy and follow your own instincts - fly them in different wind strengths to get a proper feeling for them. If you go with a bow, make sure you get instruction on how to fly it as it's different to a C shape kite.

Good Luck!
Caela
Hurrah
Hurrah
NSW
382 posts
NSW, 382 posts
23 Feb 2006 5:04pm
Caelah,

I think you mean Prepare !

OutCold
OutCold
WA
21 posts
WA, 21 posts
23 Feb 2006 2:28pm
Hey

Im the same weight and was initially convinced to get a 10m C type.
A 10 is ideal for winds around maybe 15-20 knots, but by 20 knots, im pushing the limits or control, and anything below 15 barely keeps the kite up.

If i was starting again, i would most definately start with a 9m, maybe even an 8, then later on go for a 12 for the lighter winds.

just my two cents
matric
matric
NSW
10 posts
NSW, 10 posts
23 Feb 2006 6:00pm
prepare,
i had the same problem as you. started with an 11m C but could not get going in anything under 15/16 knots. i also wanted to get on the water as much as possible. Because the bows are relatively new i reckon they will refine them by next year so i went and got two second hand kites (one ex demo 15m, hardly used and a 7m )for really cheap. they cover a good wind range so i get on the water heaps.
being new to the sport i thought best to save my dollars until my skills and knowledge were improved. i have given them all a good workout. next season i will update my whole quiver. because i have been in the sport for a while i reckon i can make a much better decision about what to buy to suit my needs.

if you do go for the 16 bow make sure you speak to people who own them. a 10 c to a 16 bow sounds like a big jump to me especially for your weight. you might need something a little smaller.

enjoy!!
Prepare
Prepare
WA
132 posts
WA, 132 posts
23 Feb 2006 3:31pm
thanks everyone,

I thought the whole selling point behind the bows was 100% depower and huge range. if this is the case why would a 16m should be fine for anyone as long as they go out in realistic winds? or am i confused?

the 12 is looking good at the moment though
windslave
windslave
QLD
151 posts
QLD, 151 posts
23 Feb 2006 5:54pm
The 16 dose have a huge de power and when you are confident on the water at your weight you would be able to handle it.. BUT!! you would be riding with your arms way outstretched to get the depower and when you go for it and do a powered jump you will No all about it.. get ready to fly!
I reckon a 12 would be perfect and keep your 10m for when its over 20knts.Yes you can ride the 12bow comfortably in over 20knts but you will still be over powerd for doing tricks appart from big boost's.

I wieght 75kg and use a SwitchBlade 9 for any thing close to 20knt and over and the 12 for anything under that works really well for me.
Board 128x38

Keep the 10 and get a 12bow it dose overlap to much trade the 10 on 7 or a 9 bow.

kusu
kusu
QLD
485 posts
QLD, 485 posts
23 Feb 2006 6:42pm
Sell your 10 and try a 12 waroo. one kite quiver for what you want.
I was just out in a measured squall at 44 kts!! (93kg) and then later handed it to a guy same setup and about 65-70kg and he had a ball on it in 12/13 right through 25 when he came in.
4DICE
4DICE
QLD
158 posts
QLD, 158 posts
23 Feb 2006 9:45pm
quote:
Originally posted by Prepare

thanks everyone,

I thought the whole selling point behind the bows was 100% depower and huge range. if this is the case why would a 16m should be fine for anyone as long as they go out in realistic winds? or am i confused?

the 12 is looking good at the moment though



the 16 also turns alot slower then the 12
Fitzy
Fitzy
QLD
617 posts
QLD, 617 posts
23 Feb 2006 11:19pm
Mate Paulio weighs in at a nice 105 Kgs and rides a 12M Switchblade in most winds. He has used it when he would ordinarily have used his old Rhino 20.

My two most used kites are a Rapture 12M - Winds from 18 to 35 knts and a Crossbow 16M - up to 18 Knts.

I weigh 75 Kgs and ride either a 133X39 or a 125 X 39 board.

Fitzy Gold Coast OZ
milehigh
milehigh
WA
81 posts
WA, 81 posts
24 Feb 2006 10:05am
prpeare....just get yourself a 12c and wait for 15knts like everyone else does...that will get u going up to about 20 knots then start thinking about going down to ur 10.

1 dont believe that any kite can give u a one kite quiver..all have an optimal range and u cant get the same performance from say a totally depowered 16 when u should have a 12 up.
Hurrah
Hurrah
NSW
382 posts
NSW, 382 posts
24 Feb 2006 1:24pm
Have you noticed that all the people advising against bows don't have any or near enough experience with them ?

I used to ride C's and also the True first generation bow the Rapture 1.

Let me tell you, had I had my hands on a bow when I was learning, I'd be much better now. Bows give you the confidence on the water and are TOO easy to relaunch once you F up.

This gives you more time on the water. A Bow will relaunch in 10-20 secs in the hands of a practice user. No swim needed a C requires you to swim at least a little sideways if you have a 5th line.

A Bow/SLE has 95% depower but is relaunchable without the need to release. In a nut shell a BOW/SLE gives you at least 50% if not more water time.

although I have an 8m C, and a 16 C, I only Ride my 12 m Xbow now and am 72kgs. with 2 boards. Bows give me nore time on water where there's wind.

P.S I really don't bother below 12knts

anton
anton
202 posts
202 posts
24 Feb 2006 12:19pm
ditto.. getting more boards is a cheaper alternative. Nonetheless, being 65kg, I started with 10m then added a 14m and with ye'old directional got going in 10kts. Now all I have is a 12m xbow and a couple of boards for the same wind range.
the loopy chicken
the loopy chicken
WA
20 posts
WA, 20 posts
24 Feb 2006 12:58pm
quote:
Have you noticed that all the people advising against bows don't have any or near enough experience with them ?



sounds like u havent had enough experience with a c...who needs to swim relaunching a c these days? i cant remember the last time i had to.

plus bows arent that pretty when inverted
Jesse19
Jesse19
WA
101 posts
WA, 101 posts
24 Feb 2006 6:16pm
i say just watch people and see what they say about them test out what kites ya can and even ask if they can demo a re-launch for ya gives you the best view of what is to be expected especially if you get opinions from experienced riders aswell as ppl new to the sport/kite
Keahi
Keahi
QLD
853 posts
QLD, 853 posts
1 Mar 2006 9:08am
check out the 12 metre crossbow or swithbalde. they got the same projected area as a 14 metre C kite because it's so flat. you can also depower down to about an 8 metre. they also have huge lift and are great for doing big floaty jumps
Mr Plow
Mr Plow
VIC
428 posts
VIC, 428 posts
1 Mar 2006 11:28am
There is one more kite alternative just to totally confuse the issue

The new "hybrid" style kites - "C" style kites with much improved wind range and massive depower - e.g.

F-One Impact & Tribal
Wipika Matrix and Indy
Ocean Rodeo Diablo
North Vegas

I tend to agree with the commentary preceding about changing boards rather than kites and that a one kite quiver is a dream. (Although I have seen a guy use an old Arc in anything from 10 knots thru 30+ knots...mind you he was a damn good kiter).

Had to laugh about Caelahs light wind board.....I have the same thing as my high-wind board...but weigh in at least 20 kilos heavier.
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