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Mr float
Mr float
NSW
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NSW, 3452 posts
21 Nov 2011 9:35am
Rider i is riding a wave down the line and going downwind as a result .Rider 2 is well downwind at first and is riding upwind and is on the following wave . Rider 1 realises that rider 2 is on the folowing wave riding upwind and does not appear to have any intention of turning and riding down the line on that wave and rider 1 also recognises that rider 2 's kite is out over rider ones wave.Rider 2 has seen kiter on wave in front going down the line .It is too late for rider 1 to bail out and head to sea and is forced to ride straight at kite and shore to avoid collision and loses power and is swamped by wave and forced onto beach .rider 2 is either oblivious to what has happened or does not care ,this happens a second time .Would it be ok for rider 1 to be annoyed?
stamp
stamp
QLD
2800 posts
QLD, 2800 posts
21 Nov 2011 8:46am
i'd be annoyed. the rider going upwind (why would you anyway?) has more options to change direction without the kite falling out of the sky. the person riding down the line has less room to move.
Paul1
Paul1
QLD
1011 posts
QLD, 1011 posts
21 Nov 2011 9:11am
Whether you are wave riding or not, you can't just kite downwind into someone and expect them to simply get out of your way, if you are upwind you are effectively kiting towards their back/blind side, they may just be out having fun with little knowledge of wave riding. I always stay well clear of everyone and pick a wave with plenty of room downwind. Rider 1 should be annoyed with him/herself for being so dumb to select a wave with someone downwind in his/her path twice in a row, it's a big ocean out there......
Bigwavedave
Bigwavedave
QLD
2057 posts
QLD, 2057 posts
21 Nov 2011 9:19am
^^^Paul nailed it!!^^^

Couldn't have said it betterer.

Punch up on the beach is the way to solve this.

No point staying annoyed.
Hardcarve1
Hardcarve1
QLD
550 posts
QLD, 550 posts
21 Nov 2011 9:21am
I think when riding waves the law of the waves should take over from the law of sail. Give right of way to the rider closest to the breaking wave.
superlizard
superlizard
VIC
702 posts
VIC, 702 posts
21 Nov 2011 11:49am
i think this is not hypothetical situation
TurtleHunter
TurtleHunter
WA
1675 posts
WA, 1675 posts
21 Nov 2011 8:56am
sounds like annoying conditions to start with
Try cross shore winds and long period swell and it wouldn't be a problem
Joe Cron
Joe Cron
NSW
450 posts
NSW, 450 posts
21 Nov 2011 12:16pm
You don't need permission to be annoyed.

As a grom growing up in the late 70's early 80's I learnt that you don't get in the way of a rider on a wave. Even if it means you paddle to the foam and get worked. It makes sense to me. We can't change the position of the wave and if the rider can't be in the sweet spot of the wave because he is dodging traffic, what's the point.

I believe this should translate to kiting.

However, times are different, there are no more groms, no learning or respect (which was mostly born of fear of said bashing).

As you point out Float, the cotton wool generation, if they can be bothered to turn up at all, turn up with all the new gear and an 'access all areas' attitude.

Maybe get really annoyed, crash your kite into his which will precipitate a confrontation on the beach.

This will get it out of your system, and induce the respect/fear in him so at least it won't happen to you again.
BennyB12
BennyB12
QLD
918 posts
QLD, 918 posts
21 Nov 2011 12:22pm
the rider going upwind (why would you anyway?)


cos its fun and you can pop mean little punts and float crazy long sections without fear of your kite falling from the sky like a peice of bogroll...
waveslave
waveslave
WA
4263 posts
WA, 4263 posts
21 Nov 2011 3:09pm
superlizard said...

i think this is not hypothetical situation


lol. ^^^

Someone needed to throw down a full roundhouse cutback.

hamburglar
hamburglar
ACT
2174 posts
ACT, 2174 posts
21 Nov 2011 6:59pm
Mr float said...

Rider i is riding a wave down the line and going downwind as a result .Rider 2 is well downwind at first and is riding upwind and is on the following wave . Rider 1 realises that rider 2 is on the folowing wave riding upwind and does not appear to have any intention of turning and riding down the line on that wave and rider 1 also recognises that rider 2 's kite is out over rider ones wave.Rider 2 has seen kiter on wave in front going down the line .It is too late for rider 1 to bail out and head to sea and is forced to ride straight at kite and shore to avoid collision and loses power and is swamped by wave and forced onto beach .rider 2 is either oblivious to what has happened or does not care ,this happens a second time .Would it be ok for rider 1 to be annoyed?

Hypotheticaly speaking of course.........
Rider 1 is well downwind and is going only slightly upwind (because of direction and
strength or lack of )and doesn't see Rider 2 until he's within a couple of kite line
lengths away coming down the line obviously under powered .Rider 1 finds himself
between rider 2 and rider 3 who is coming back out through the break.
Is it ok for Rider 1 to be annoyed at Rider 2 ?

Maybe Rider 1 thought Rider 2 was going to go right also

Must of been someone else the second time
alls good no need for violence, i'm pretty sure i can outrun you anyway
the Burglar
Mr float
Mr float
NSW
3452 posts
NSW, 3452 posts
21 Nov 2011 8:11pm
waveslave said...

superlizard said...

i think this is not hypothetical situation


lol. ^^^

Someone needed to throw down a full roundhouse cutback.




I was thinking the same thing ,apparently this can't be done by kiters
harry potter
harry potter
VIC
2777 posts
VIC, 2777 posts
21 Nov 2011 8:37pm
I reckon it's pretty basic.....

Those coming into shore give way to those leaving the beach, once both kiters are on the water standard sail craft rules apply.

Port / Starboard /Windward / leeward etc etc....

You are kite boarding ...not surfing!

Even if you have right-of-way, it is your duty to avoid a collision, once it becomes apparent that the other boat/kite is not giving way

That's not to say you can't be annoyed with the bloke, it's just that technically he may have been in the right.
Although....
If you were heading in opposite directions one of you was on a starboard tack and had right of way..... At a guess being in NSW I'd say it was a SE wind... Assuming that.....the rider going downwind on the wave should have been on the starboard tack therefore having right of way.
sir ROWDY
sir ROWDY
WA
5378 posts
WA, 5378 posts
21 Nov 2011 6:25pm
Should just have punch on's before kiting, would solve everything.
Mr float
Mr float
NSW
3452 posts
NSW, 3452 posts
21 Nov 2011 9:30pm
harry potter said...

I reckon it's pretty basic.....

Those coming into shore give way to those leaving the beach, once both kiters are on the water standard sail craft rules apply.

Port / Starboard /Windward / leeward etc etc....

You are kite boarding ...not surfing!

Even if you have right-of-way, it is your duty to avoid a collision, once it becomes apparent that the other boat/kite is not giving way

That's not to say you can't be annoyed with the bloke, it's just that technically he may have been in the right.
Although....
If you were heading in opposite directions one of you was on a starboard tack and had right of way..... At a guess being in NSW I'd say it was a SE wind... Assuming that.....the rider going downwind on the wave should have been on the starboard tack therefore having right of way.



Rider 2 is definitely on starboard tack all the way (and heading in ) .technically speaking rider 1 is on port when they are going at the wave (and heading out) and on starboard when turning on the wave and then going at the beach away from the wave before turning back at it (port and heading out) .confusing?I feel that it is a tricky scenario and that rider 1 should not be annoyed with rider 2 .I reckon that the thoughts thus far are invaluable as this is a scenario that can arise .
lurch
lurch
WA
312 posts
WA, 312 posts
21 Nov 2011 7:08pm
Oh yeah.
Welcome to South Passage and Euro season.
Here we go again.........
stabber
stabber
NSW
1114 posts
NSW, 1114 posts
22 Nov 2011 4:13pm
I'd steal their van and pawn their kites...
dave......
dave......
WA
2119 posts
WA, 2119 posts
22 Nov 2011 6:49pm
Joe Cron said...

You don't need permission to be annoyed.

As a grom growing up in the late 70's early 80's I learnt that you don't get in the way of a rider on a wave. Even if it means you paddle to the foam and get worked. It makes sense to me. We can't change the position of the wave and if the rider can't be in the sweet spot of the wave because he is dodging traffic, what's the point.

I believe this should translate to kiting.

However, times are different, there are no more groms, no learning or respect (which was mostly born of fear of said bashing).

As you point out Float, the cotton wool generation, if they can be bothered to turn up at all, turn up with all the new gear and an 'access all areas' attitude.

Maybe get really annoyed, crash your kite into his which will precipitate a confrontation on the beach.

This will get it out of your system, and induce the respect/fear in him so at least it won't happen to you again.


Here in crappy Perth waves are extremely hard to come by, and it might take 4-5 tacks to get anything that resembles a wave, yet theres plenty of ocean to do your stuff. For me it is just plain condideration. Id rather take a duckdive and a bit of a pounding to see someone else stoked, in surfing same goes with someone kite SURFING on a wave, on a left in Perth it is a Port tack, and I think surfing ettiquite applies and also basic sailing rules, I will avoid a collision at all costs, however most guys are on a twinny who do this and can easily transition into the shore and get out of your way, same goes with Chhangu and Balian in Bali. Crazy times out there with internationals who have not surf ettiquite. That said I will pull off any wave and share with surfers in the water, just cause I can get closer to the peak or backdoor it from miles out, sharing is caring. 2 sides of the story, kiteboarders and kitesurfers.

If you dont understand sailing rules, the easy way to remember is theres no Port left and its red stuff
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