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doonut
doonut
WA
265 posts
WA, 265 posts
30 Oct 2010 11:01am
my 7m vegas is pulling to one side? Have tried different lines and bar and makes no differance? there is no visable damage to canopy or bridles the kite was bought in feb 2010 any ideas anyone?????
fozzy
fozzy
SA
501 posts
SA, 501 posts
30 Oct 2010 1:38pm
Bridles (can) stretch as do bar lines. Check your bridle, my bet is it is uneven.
ok
ok
NSW
1089 posts
ok ok
NSW, 1089 posts
30 Oct 2010 2:16pm
hold the bar with two hands instead of one
KnutH
KnutH
VIC
427 posts
VIC, 427 posts
30 Oct 2010 3:35pm
Train your left arm in the gym.
doonut
doonut
WA
265 posts
WA, 265 posts
30 Oct 2010 12:36pm
nope all birdels match oposing side? I have tried kite with different lines and bar and still the same?????
Puetz
Puetz
NT
2186 posts
NT, 2186 posts
30 Oct 2010 2:46pm
... I may say the obvious here but I had the same and I found that the kite drifted due to the position we were testing it relative to the trees and surrounding influences even though from down on the ground we had fairly steady feeling wind. I walked further away from that particular position and the drift was different, so I concluded that the wind up top was causing the funny drift to one side. Having said that, I had a 20m X4 that got so bad that I almost had to put both hands on one side just to stear it back, but let the other side go and it would dive. I then converted it to 5 line and the problem wasn't as bad. Confused, I experimented with shorting and lengthing the front lines only until the problem was gone. Again, band aiding the situation but I concluded that I had stretched the kite one side, enough that it drifted, but with moding it patched it up.

Good luck,

cheers,

Robbie
BigAirPaul
BigAirPaul
QLD
140 posts
QLD, 140 posts
30 Oct 2010 4:36pm
It could be:
1. Stretched bridles, but you have eliminated that...
2. Strtethed/twisted lines, especially if you favour tricks in one direction. Pinch the lines out and compare the lengths...
3. Twisted kite, from too many crashes. Put the kite LE down on a hard level flat surface and see if it 'Sits' right...
Hope that helps...
SaveTheWhales
SaveTheWhales
WA
1913 posts
WA, 1913 posts
30 Oct 2010 3:32pm
Dude - heres the easy way to fix it

1. check bar & lines under tension without the kite - obvious

2. Put a tape measure on any rear/front line knots/loops from kiteside down to knot exactly

3. measure all knots from bar end

4. measure all bridle lengths

It will be one of those - with any new kite it always pays to measure all lines up before using just to be on the safe side and check tightness of all bridal connections.

Do not trust a brand name as they even state specifically - you are responsible for safe use and checking of all lines (that means all !! )

If you have then done a thorough job checking everything - you bought it in Feb, take it back to the shop. Its a warranty job and ask for a loan kit in the mean time... Or.... by simply adjusting the opposite side knot up towards the kite 1 cm at a time till it sits at 12 again
high as a kite
high as a kite
SA
1312 posts
SA, 1312 posts
30 Oct 2010 9:37pm
If you reckon the lines and canopy are alright I would be checking the structure of the Leading Edge.
I had trouble a few years ago and it didn't matter what I tried it still pulled to the right.
It wasn't until I pulled the L/E bladder out to see if it had a twist in it that I found the problem.
It wasn't the bladder, in fact it was the leading edge itself. When pumping the kite back up to see if I had put the bladder back correctly I noticed that one wind tip was pointing towards the roof and the other was at about 75 degrees.
The leading edge was not constructed correctly.
I done this in my shed. When pumping up outside in the wind it wasn't noticable.
It actually took me 6 months to find out the problem.

I sent it back to the importer and they agreed the kite was faulty but the French brand didn't want to know about it. Hence I don't fly that brand anymore.

The importers did look after me with a new board which I was happy about.
doonut
doonut
WA
265 posts
WA, 265 posts
30 Oct 2010 8:10pm
hmmm ok tomoro im gunna go over everything
colinwill78
colinwill78
VIC
1395 posts
VIC, 1395 posts
30 Oct 2010 11:13pm
have a chiro check your back is aligned right
Leroy B
Leroy B
WA
139 posts
WA, 139 posts
30 Oct 2010 9:17pm
Hi Doonut

Funny as this happened to me 2 days ago, my 7 was flying perfectly then suddenly I needed twice the strength on one side to keep it flying straight.

After a few runs that felt more like exercise than fun and checking the bridle wasn't caught on a wing tip I shortened one back line by one knot and it and it flew perfectly like the happy demon it normally is!

A case of Spontaneous Bridle Stretching - I don't know??
getfunky
getfunky
WA
4485 posts
WA, 4485 posts
31 Oct 2010 1:56am
Did the pulling occur after a bingle of some sort?

Thought I had feked my small kite after rolling it in the surf and getting it tangled and inverted. Upon relaunch it pulled waaayyy to one side afterwards for the rest of that sesh.

A thorough wash out after the session, to remove the handfulls of crusted up sand stuck behind the LE, helped a quite a bit.. but next time I took it out it was still a little lop sided. I assumed I had stretched the kite/bridle.

Some time later (don't get my small kite out often) I looked very closely at the bridle(s) and realised that on the side it was pulling to, one length of bridle section, had actually slipped up it's connecting section (hard to describe) so that it was all looking normal, but was in fact slightly shortening that side of the entire bridal. Slipped that section along it's connecting section back into place and kite was as good as new.

Try laying your deflated kite out with wing tips close to each other and carefully compare/mirror each section of the bridle from the two sides against each other. You never know.
lotofwind
lotofwind
NSW
6451 posts
NSW, 6451 posts
31 Oct 2010 8:11am
This has happend to me as well.

I went to the doctors and found out that one of my arms was a full inch shorter
than the other one.

When standing on the beach with my kite in the air,I now dont stand looking directly down wind but stand at a slight angle so my arms are equal lenght.

Hope this helps.
Paul1
Paul1
QLD
1011 posts
QLD, 1011 posts
31 Oct 2010 9:32am
Easiest way to cure your problem is sell your Vegas on Seabreeze.com.au and buy a Fuel
doonut
doonut
WA
265 posts
WA, 265 posts
31 Oct 2010 11:14am
how do vegas's compare to fuels i was thinking of getting a new kite just to keep up with new gear, and the new vegas look horrible who designed the coulor theme they should be shot
AKSonline
AKSonline
WA
925 posts
WA, 925 posts
31 Oct 2010 11:31am
Hi Guys,

If not the bridle or lines, put the kite indoors or in your garage and pump it up nice and hard and see if there is any twist in the leading edge. This is the most common cause of pulling to one side.

Leading edges can twist from the bladder being twisted inside the leading edge casing. This can occur by bad kite rolling technique, or a few decent crashes, especially if the LE is deflated in a self rescue situation.

To remedy: Remove the bladder and carefully re-insert the bladder. Follow the tips on the link below

www.kiteboardingschool.com.au/index.php/Beginner-newbie-tips/tip-21-fixing-a-leak-in-a-bladder.html

Cheers,

DM
doonut
doonut
WA
265 posts
WA, 265 posts
31 Oct 2010 12:25pm
just pumped it up indoors and the LE doesn't sit flat on floor it sits abit higher on one side so i gess il take the bladder out n put it back in a try again, just remember once my LE plug came out in a crash n i got to swim mabye that did it?
doonut
doonut
WA
265 posts
WA, 265 posts
31 Oct 2010 1:43pm
yerp took it out put it back doesn't seem to have made much differance so i just shortened one back line
Transition_Surf
Transition_Surf
SA
286 posts
SA, 286 posts
31 Oct 2010 8:50pm
It could also be due to the kite not stitched right from the factory. I had an old North with the same issue and it was the kite that wasn't right. This was before bridles were even thought about.
doonut
doonut
WA
265 posts
WA, 265 posts
31 Oct 2010 7:56pm
anyone one got a comparision between fuel n vegas
SammyJ
SammyJ
WA
571 posts
WA, 571 posts
31 Oct 2010 8:16pm
martynbone said...

It could also be due to the kite not stitched right from the factory. I had an old North with the same issue and it was the kite that wasn't right. This was before bridles were even thought about.


Side flyer is the term used, I've witnessed it and know a retailer who had a batch of them sent to him. From memory it only affected one size, which would suggest the template or whatever was slightly out when they did that production run.
high as a kite
high as a kite
SA
1312 posts
SA, 1312 posts
1 Nov 2010 2:53pm
Hey Doonut,
I played around with line lenghts, extra pig tails etc etc. Still no good.
Sorry mate in might be a bin case.
AKSonline
AKSonline
WA
925 posts
WA, 925 posts
1 Nov 2010 12:31pm
Hi guys,

To fix a pulling kite, adding or subtracting length to back lines doesn't help. You need to add or subtract to the front lines which will compensate the error. Lengthening or shortening back lines just throws your bar out of level.

DM
Puetz
Puetz
NT
2186 posts
NT, 2186 posts
1 Nov 2010 2:48pm
AKSonline said...

Hi guys,

To fix a pulling kite, adding or subtracting length to back lines doesn't help. You need to add or subtract to the front lines which will compensate the error. Lengthening or shortening back lines just throws your bar out of level.

DM


... yep, thats what I was saying! Adjust the front lines til good again, worked on my X4
the gibbo
the gibbo
WA
776 posts
WA, 776 posts
1 Nov 2010 3:38pm
two wrongs do make a right

tie a knot in it(not in the line,the fat bit at the end)
worked for me
apparently can do a bit of harm to the breaking strain of said fat bit/or line, but i dunno
whatthe
whatthe
WA
186 posts
WA, 186 posts
1 Nov 2010 4:21pm
AKSonline said...

Hi guys,

To fix a pulling kite, adding or subtracting length to back lines doesn't help. You need to add or subtract to the front lines which will compensate the error. Lengthening or shortening back lines just throws your bar out of level.

DM


Which way should you go? For example, if the kite keeps pulling right, should you shorten or lengthen the right front relative to the left?
harry potter
harry potter
VIC
2777 posts
VIC, 2777 posts
1 Nov 2010 8:07pm
^^^^^if its pulling to the right you need to either shorten the left to compensate or lengthen the right
Flux
Flux
WA
533 posts
WA, 533 posts
2 Nov 2010 12:05am
Just read the 1st couple of posts so not sure if this has been mentioned as it almost never happens but if everything is ok as you say then chk for sand in the bladder jammed down in one wing tip that will tilt you.
Rare fault but still just an idea.
Or deformity with the leading edge chk the bladder out make sure it has symmetry to each wing tip ??
SaveTheWhales
SaveTheWhales
WA
1913 posts
WA, 1913 posts
2 Nov 2010 8:02am
the gibbo said...

two wrongs do make a right



Yeah but ' 3 rights make a Left '
the gibbo
the gibbo
WA
776 posts
WA, 776 posts
2 Nov 2010 4:54pm
oh yeah, me not so bright
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