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magilla
magilla
VIC
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VIC, 60 posts
18 Jan 2006 11:39am
Has anyone had a local law passed against them to stop kiteing on a beach. If so what restrictions were put against you and what arguments were put forward by kiters to try and combat this.

Can anyone tell me if a kiteboarder is clessed as a vessel. I know in Vic that we have a exemption from wearing life jackets if we are within 400m of the shore and wearing a 3mm wet suit (which in this water we always do. Too cold).

slyfox
slyfox
VIC
324 posts
VIC, 324 posts
18 Jan 2006 11:50am
don't believe we have an iminent problem in vic but it's always a concern when you see 16 year olds at the beach with 2001 junk trying to launch it with the leading edge facing downwind, holding it by the trailing edge and people crashing near/on beach goers.

why are you interested? did someone mention a possible ban?

kiting is banned on bondi beach in nsw i believe and a couple of other places around oz.
snowman
snowman
VIC
275 posts
VIC, 275 posts
18 Jan 2006 12:00pm
Saw that exact this in the weekend at St Kilda!! very scary even more scary when the guy holding the kite said I think your lines are twisted dioes that matter the guy attached to the kite said no just throw it up.

At that point I felt the need to explain what can happen with twisted lines, lessons, and not playing on the beach with lots of people around. Atleast the wind was really light!

also at St Kilda on the same day I overheard a young lady talking to someone on the phone as ' A kitesurfer has just hit me what are my rights'... I don't think she was to smart lying in the middle of the beach with kites flying all around her but we all need to be a bit more careful with the public or a ban might just happen
magilla
magilla
VIC
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18 Jan 2006 1:27pm
I had a lady give me a 20minute talk on how dangerous kiteing is and how she is going to get us regulated or banned from our main beach.

I was out kiteing and their were swimmers, surfers and goat boats out also. I was treating everyone with respect and not going anywhere near the SLSC flags.

Nobody including the SLSC had a problem with what i was doing except this lady one the beach who has an uneducated view on kiteing. She told me that on previous occations she had rang the police and was going to do so again.

It just had me thinking about other places and the co-exsistance between kiters and all other water users.

The local kiters here are the ones who self regulate and maybe an education program to inform the general public might help public relations.
azza
azza
1338 posts
1338 posts
18 Jan 2006 11:56am
quote:
Originally posted by magilla

... She told me that on previous occations she had rang the police and was going to do so again.




All complaints made to police are registered with the name of the person making the complaint... some people are just serial complainers, the police know who they are and weight their complaints accordingly.

That said, no-one should give the reasonable person something to complain about.
Boris
Boris
261 posts
261 posts
18 Jan 2006 12:11pm
I was setting up my kite lines and kite and some lady came over to me and told me I shouldn't be doing it there (not sure if this is the same location). I kept my manners and informed her that I was responsible and knew what I was doing, but she still insisted I shouldn't be there. What can you say to people like that??
Anyway, as she was walking away, I waited until she was about the length of my kite lines away and then launched my kite, sent it into a full dive into the power zone and WHOOOOSHKA!! knocked her on her arse!! Bet she thinks twice next time about telling me where to kite!
samio
samio
WA
183 posts
WA, 183 posts
18 Jan 2006 12:37pm
Boris, if i were you id delete that last post just to save people getting up you. Just some friendly advice
Cheers.
azza
azza
1338 posts
1338 posts
18 Jan 2006 12:46pm
BORIS YOU TROLL! WHAT'S HAPPENED TO YOUR ACCENT?
Boris
Boris
261 posts
261 posts
18 Jan 2006 12:57pm
Azza, the Aussie way of life infects me daily. My accent becomes victim to this also...it is bonza ay cobber?

Samio, I believe in freedom of speech so I will accept peoples views if they wish to reply. But thanking you anyway for you advice
ran
ran
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333 posts
ran ran
VIC, 333 posts
18 Jan 2006 4:55pm
Boris, LOL, i must say would love to do this to some people, and inside my head, like you i have.
Boris
Boris
261 posts
261 posts
18 Jan 2006 2:11pm
it also happened outside my head because the voice inside my head told me to do it
ellery
ellery
VIC
187 posts
VIC, 187 posts
18 Jan 2006 5:59pm
can someone please call immagration. (joke)
azza
azza
1338 posts
1338 posts
18 Jan 2006 3:07pm
immigration!! (no joke) (you ilriterate plick!)
Yousurf
Yousurf
WA
165 posts
WA, 165 posts
18 Jan 2006 4:44pm
Boris,

That is the mentallity of all you kiters.

The sooner kiting gets banned the better.

You don't see any windurfers run down a swimmer if they ask about the safety of windsurfing.

I remember getting swooped by a crazy madmad on ford oval using a training kite. He was laughing and saying something about 1/2 a D with no T. I don't get you lot
azza
azza
1338 posts
1338 posts
18 Jan 2006 4:50pm
quote:
Originally posted by Yousurf

... He was laughing and saying something about 1/2 a D with no T. I don't get you lot



I had 1/2 a D with no T once. Damn it went to my head! I was so drunk that I nearly bought a sailboard!
Haircut
Haircut
QLD
6491 posts
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18 Jan 2006 8:04pm
i'm told that a couple of bananas followed by a blue motorola makes a 3 foot jump feel like a fitty foota!
Kitehard
Kitehard
WA
2782 posts
WA, 2782 posts
18 Jan 2006 8:28pm
Actually Yousurf,

There was a windsurfer who intentionally beared away and ran down a kiter in Maui a few years back whilst the kiter was body dragging to get back to his board.

The attack was deliberate and ended with the kiter getting a bunch of stitches to close the wound in his leg and stomach from memory. That windsurfer was later gaoled for unprovoked assault causing harm.

He had a record of such attacks. Those that live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones

I know Boris wouldn't have done this, but god I did laugh at the thought of it. Highly inapropriate behaviour to even suggest, ah but in the minds eye

Always act with humility, patience, courtesy and respect when dealing with the public in such cases.

Good winds,

kitecrazzzy
kitecrazzzy
WA
2184 posts
WA, 2184 posts
18 Jan 2006 8:43pm
and there i was thinking boris was a polie
Fitzy
Fitzy
QLD
617 posts
QLD, 617 posts
19 Jan 2006 12:31am
I think Boris is related to RICHRELATIVE.

Fitzy Gold Coast OZ
BLOWN AWAY
BLOWN AWAY
156 posts
156 posts
19 Jan 2006 4:03am
The only way to really protect against banning is to kite at beaches with no swimmers.
Boris
Boris
261 posts
261 posts
19 Jan 2006 5:53am
Yousurf,

That sounds like it was my uncle Zoris (aunty Doris was probably having a cuppa in the campervan at the time).

Kiting is much better when you've got 1/2 a D in your stomach anyway.

Anyway, that's what you can expect more of. All jokes aside, it is well known that the rule of kiting is if you are within range of the kite then its your fault if you get hit, and you deserve it. If we do it on purpose then that's ok too because you can't prove anything.

Kiters, start practicing your "WHOOSHKA" swoops!

KITING RULES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



waveslave
waveslave
WA
4263 posts
WA, 4263 posts
19 Jan 2006 11:29am
quote:
Originally posted by Boris
Anyway, as she was walking away, I waited until she was about the length of my kite lines away and then launched my kite, sent it into a full dive into the power zone and WHOOOOSHKA!! knocked her on her arse!! Bet she thinks twice next time about telling me where to kite!




The above quote might describe your thought-bubble Boris.....
but allow me to describe the victims thought-bubble.

"Gee, I was enjoying lying quietly on the beach here and he comes and sets up his kitesailing equipment,
right next to me...no consideration !
And he's just upwind of me too so if something goes bad I'll get hit.
Maybe I should move, no.... I was here first, he can move !"

Boris, you might think kites are wonderful but 99% of the people on public beaches don't.

In the not too distant future, kites will be compared to unlawfull, out-of-control, unleashed dogs.
Roaming canines on public beaches were eventually deemed unacceptable by beach-goers and authorities.
Regulations were put in place.

Boris, think good thoughts and be cool, mate.

Regards,
slave.
magilla
magilla
VIC
60 posts
VIC, 60 posts
19 Jan 2006 3:34pm
quote:
In the not too distant future, kites will be compared to unlawfull, out-of-control, unleashed dogs.
Roaming canines on public beaches were eventually deemed unacceptable by beach-goers and authorities.
Regulations were put in place.



So back to my original post. What can we do to prevent this from happening.

What do people from our associations think? Or are they just about collecting revenue and issueing insurance for when things do go wrong?

My personal thoughs are that we need to be proactive and not reactive. It is time we as kiteboarders stop stuffing about and started to petray a responsable image within the communities. I know the majority already do this but the minority are stuffing it for everyone.

With surfing you would get a smack to the head if you acted stupidly, maybe we need to start dishing out that kind of enforcement.

I like many other kiters have made misstakes and had equipment malfunctions but to act in a deliberate, stupid and spitfull way should not be tolerated.

Have fun on the water but be mindfull of everyone else. Dont atract attention for all the wrong reasons.
sunseeker
sunseeker
QLD
1203 posts
QLD, 1203 posts
19 Jan 2006 3:42pm
There is a real difference between people learning or teaching on a crowded beach and proficient kiters just launching on the beach and then staying out on the water away from swimmers and other water users.

There's nothing wrong with launching on a beach as long as the nearest (non-kiting) person who doesn't know what to expect is at least 100m away from the kiter. Also, people should be responsible when coming into the beach to land the kite.
Iain_B
Iain_B
QLD
37 posts
QLD, 37 posts
19 Jan 2006 3:46pm
Up until joining the this forum, I was one of the ignorant masses, I had no idea that the surf kite strings can do so much damage, and that launching or landing is the most dangerous time. How is the public supposed to know not to stand downwind of the kite - telepathy?

My little 2m quad lines and deltas attract a lot of attention, and I don't mind people talking to me as I have them under complete control, I even play games with my kids chasing them around with the quad and knocking over their sandcastles.

Joe Public has no idea about large kites and that they are barely undercontrol and that a strong gust would see even the best kiter dragged down the beach over them. If their first experience is getting knocked off their feet or if one of their kids are injured then the councils will get tough on us. If someone takes a council to court over a kite surfing incident then kite surfing will get banned by every council along the coast. I'm just starting this sport, and already I hear the Redland shire ( the closest beaches to me) has banned it on their beaches - don't know why but there's a $360 fine involved.

Boris, what would you do if my "accidentally" let my rottweiller of the leash and flattened you, what if it decided to rip your arm or face to shreds, . I suspect you would complain to the authorities about a visious dog on the loose and want them removed from the beaches?
ran
ran
VIC
333 posts
ran ran
VIC, 333 posts
19 Jan 2006 5:04pm
banning kitesurfing...... ok im all for responsable kiteboarding, im all for doing the right thing, i love this sport and dont want to be limited, so ill do what i can to keep the sport from being banned across the country. But how can they ban kite surfing and then allow windsurfing or surfing at the same spots? To me it just seems wrong, surfers have hit people, surfers run into swimmers, surfers get tangled in fishing lines, just as kiteboarders and windsurfers. Sure we have a large influx of learners, we are the new boys on the block and all but how can they just ban kiteboarding? You know **** happens, hell ive seen fishermen catch swimmers, a crusty hook aint too pleasent. Is this some of that knee jerk reaction stuff that the media loves and pollies eat up? My local spot is presently under review, and ill will be guttered if its banned thier. what can we do? how can we curb this threat? It just seems crazy to me that this sport could be banned at beaches.
Boris
Boris
261 posts
261 posts
19 Jan 2006 2:10pm
Ian_B, I'll be very concerned if your rottie tries to fly a kite on the beach. Then you'll have some explaining to do (and probably a few dog shows to enter).

kiterdan
kiterdan
WA
680 posts
WA, 680 posts
19 Jan 2006 2:22pm
Too many numbers!! Too many people taking up the sport!! Too many people taking it up because its the "in-thing" and buying stuff with no lessons!!
Time is ticking!
Tick tick KA BOOM!
We need regulation before it gets too out of hand.
kitecrazzzy
kitecrazzzy
WA
2184 posts
WA, 2184 posts
19 Jan 2006 2:29pm
registration and a test (passing an appropriate stage in the lessons)
azza
azza
1338 posts
1338 posts
19 Jan 2006 2:44pm
quote:
Originally posted by kitecrazzzy

registration and a test (passing an appropriate stage in the lessons)



wonderful idea, I'm all for it, but who is going to administrate it and who is going to enforce it.

It would take an act of parliment to make it happen.

Perhaps kiting bodies should take steps... but without sufficient registered and actively participatng members they are not going to be taken very seriously... the first steps they need to take is to get numbers/members, and soon. (And I say this as a non-affiliated kiter.)
ellery
ellery
VIC
187 posts
VIC, 187 posts
19 Jan 2006 6:25pm
i agree totally with kiterdan. Just on Saturday i took my dad to show him kitesurfing, and i showed him where everone else kites and said that is just too dangerous. Then on Sunday i hear that 2 kites flew across the road.

As it is the "in-thing" people like to show off to their mates, and kite all together in a pack. I hate kiting like this, and always kite upwind of these guys, get the water to myself, and have the confidence that i can try a new trick and won't be endangering anyone else. No-one gets to see me, but i don't do it for others.

If laws are implied at my local spot, i will do everything possible to get around them. After all, i am only a boy flying a kite.

James
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