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swaziau
swaziau
QLD
13 posts
QLD, 13 posts
17 Oct 2009 11:29am
Hi all, Kiters who have experienced the nagging aces in the upper forearm and elbow. Does anyone know what is the main cause, i.e. tight grip, position of arms etc. and what can be done to reduce the risk. I find when wind is consistent speed, I don't have the problem much, but gusty winds, make it worse. Almost all of my mates who are experienced to excellent have experienced this problem at some stage.

Would be good to here your feedback and maybe exercise that can be done.
Cheers

Swazaaaa
Coral Sea
Coral Sea
QLD
476 posts
QLD, 476 posts
17 Oct 2009 12:30pm
It's called Repetitive Strain Injury (RSI) mate, and it can affect anyone who does the same action repeatedly. The gusty conditions are just increasing the number of movements your muscles, ligaments and tendons have to make. Getting old doesn't help either...

I have been getting a similar thing in my R knuckle from turning the bar one handed while wave riding.

No magic solution - you have to rest the affected part til the swelling or aggravation goes down, and then try not to repeat the straining motion too many times, while simultaneously strengthening the muscles with exercise and stretching . Massage and anti-inflammatories might help, as may moving to a kite with lighter bar pressure and quicker turning? I know my RSI was far worse on a 12m switchy than the 8m, cos the big kite was a beast to get turning.

I've just been working at sea for the last month and not kiting, and lo and behold, can hardly feel the injury now. Rest is the best cure.
japie
japie
NSW
7146 posts
NSW, 7146 posts
17 Oct 2009 2:31pm
I had it really badly two years ago. The Quack told me that it would go away and probably come back in the other arm. It did but it hasn't which is great because whilst it is not debilitating it hurt.

I put it down to bar pressure on the Synergy I was using. Now on LEI's so it is not that much of an issue.
stabber
stabber
NSW
1114 posts
NSW, 1114 posts
17 Oct 2009 2:53pm
I owned a Synergy for 2 sessions ! yep 2 sessions! then sold the stupid thing!
The venoms were much lighter on the bar and IMO more powerfull.

Now ride Switchy's sweeeeet and I've got 3 wives....so no RSI probs.
Cabron
Cabron
QLD
363 posts
QLD, 363 posts
17 Oct 2009 2:36pm
Long story short, if it continues to get worst, or doesn’t get better when not kiting, get it checked out.

Found out this week, after over 2 months of acupuncture, soft tissue massage etc for what I though was tennis (kiters) elbow.

Via an ultrasound I found that I have torn a hole / tear in my tendon below my elbow. Need to see specialist, however it looks like this season is over, possibly surgery, or a cast for a couple months to immobilise completely.
Warned if I continue to kite, I could tear the tendon completely off……..

During this time I have tried all sorts of pain relief, anti-inflammatories, creams etc……best thing (apart from Ice packs) I found is called “Painaway”, I got it from a market stall, now buying it online.

This stuff is 100% natural and you feel the pain drain away as your using it. Using both the spray and cream together. Apparently good for arthritis, tendonitis, back, neck and muscular pains. Google it if interested to find out more. This stuff will always live in the kite bag from now on.
dave......
dave......
WA
2119 posts
WA, 2119 posts
17 Oct 2009 2:08pm
If it persists, consider changing your kite, some have heavy bar pressure. Bows/SLE's where the power is controlled by sheeting in/out will not help matters. The Cabrinha X-Bow1 was a killer, could kite 3-4 times a week for only 45mins, switched to C kites no problem.
merman
merman
QLD
431 posts
QLD, 431 posts
17 Oct 2009 4:21pm
Heavy bar pressure man... will do it every time.. I switched to a much lighter bar pressured kite and i have no more probs... problem solved.
Miss Jessie
Miss Jessie
NSW
181 posts
NSW, 181 posts
17 Oct 2009 5:59pm
Check with ur physio if your neck is out? I get RSI in the wrist and upper arm everytime my neck pushes further out, and resting it only helps if i'm getting that treated. At the end of the day for direct treatment of the pain use voltaren cream some neurofen and a pressure bandage for a few hours-works a treat.
kiter77
kiter77
VIC
273 posts
VIC, 273 posts
17 Oct 2009 6:14pm
I'd get a cortisone injection asap, this will reduce the swelling and allow it to heal. But don't kite on it for at least 9 weeks. During this time you can do some stretches, there are plenty of sites which show you these.
i tried all that ice / heat stuff , after cortisone pain was 95% gone.
dave......
dave......
WA
2119 posts
WA, 2119 posts
17 Oct 2009 5:54pm
^^^^ Swelling is part of the healing process and reducing swelling wont make it heal any faster. Cortisone is an anti-inflammatory anabolic steroid and its the steroid bit that will help with injury.
Is it gusty where you kite? Get a two liner and the bar pressure thing is solved
high as a kite
high as a kite
SA
1312 posts
SA, 1312 posts
17 Oct 2009 9:33pm
I've had Repetitive Strain Injury (RSI) for years.
The only thing that will fix it is rest but we ain't going to do that are we.

3 things that has helped me are;

1- changed to a very light bar kite.

2- Self massage muscles and tendons in the forearm and elbows before and after kiting. Find the sore spots and apply pressure just like trigger points. Amazing how it reliefs some of the pain.

3- A mate told me to change my grip on the bar. Normal grip is with fingers wrapping over and thumb under. Now kite with both fingers and thumb are over which helps big time. Must admit I thought this was a load of crap but it does help.

Best of luck

HAAK

kiter77
kiter77
VIC
273 posts
VIC, 273 posts
18 Oct 2009 11:19am
Also wear a pressure bandage around the sore area whilst kiting, this helps disperse the load over a wider area.
Accept that you will have this condition for some time, the torture of resting is much more pain than kiting with the injury IMHO.
Toby Pearn
Toby Pearn
WA
23 posts
WA, 23 posts
18 Oct 2009 11:11am

High as a kite is right. Change your grip on the bar- fingers under the bar instead of over. Even just changing your thumb from under to over the bar will make a difference.

This change will mean you rest the tendons (whist still kiting) that were previously stressed from overuse causing tendonosis.

swaziau
swaziau
QLD
13 posts
QLD, 13 posts
18 Oct 2009 2:17pm
Thanks Guys for the feedback, agree on Bar pressure and Grip, will give it a go and see. As for rest well that's going to be tough with the season starting up. I also have a new 9 Switchblade coming in next week so wont be using the 12 in too stronger winds anymore... which is likely the cause
assmaster
assmaster
WA
224 posts
WA, 224 posts
18 Oct 2009 1:11pm
dave...... said...


Get a two liner and the bar pressure thing is solved


Hows that gonna solve anything?
Gorgo
Gorgo
VIC
5125 posts
VIC, 5125 posts
18 Oct 2009 4:18pm
The pain is caused by holding a load with your arms bent.

You can reduce the load by choosing the lightest bar setting or getting a kite with less bar pressure.

You can also change your technique. For a Switchblade rig the rear lines on the higher knots (ie. more power) then ride with your arms straighter. Use your shoulders to move the bar in and out rather than your elbows.

If the pain is persistent and you have a minor injury then your doctor may suggest a cortisone injection. That will reduce the inflammation that is aggravating the injury and allow the injury to heal. I have had excellent results with a couple of injuries.

The only problem is that the doctor may be guessing at the cause of the problem and just give you a jab to see what happens. Ideally you would find a specialist who can identify the problem properly and give the right treatment. The specialist is not so expensive but the scans are outrageous.

I have had no luck at all with exercises, wraps and bandages, and alternate therapies in general.
Capt.Gumby
Capt.Gumby
QLD
354 posts
QLD, 354 posts
18 Oct 2009 7:22pm
I find I get it in the lighter winds (which has been most of our season) when constantly moving the kite for power and sheeting in.

Keep the kite parked and riding against the stopper knot helps me heaps.
Cabron
Cabron
QLD
363 posts
QLD, 363 posts
21 Oct 2009 8:44pm
Gorgo said...


The specialist is not so expensive but the scans are outrageous.



Xray and Ultrasound are both covered under medicare, even got a cool dvd with the pic's for the grande total of $0,

Ultrasound is the go, as it shows the inflammation of the tendon, or tear in some cases.
You can book in for a cortisone under ultrasound, more direct to the right spot.


stabber
stabber
NSW
1114 posts
NSW, 1114 posts
22 Oct 2009 9:21pm
Like I said....before it was deleted....i used to have that problem as a teenager....but since my lotto win a while back....that prob has gone away.....my wives look after me.
eightfootplus
eightfootplus
NSW
298 posts
NSW, 298 posts
23 Oct 2009 12:24am
When I windsurfed, I learnt/read/was taught to hold the bar with my thumbs next to my fingers, this reduces a lot of strain in the arms and means you can hold on for ages.

So dont hold the bar with your thumb clamped around the bar as if you were holding a bat, just hold it with your finger tips.

Of course if your grabbing at the bar to pull it hard or whatever it doesnt matter, but if your sloshing in the one direction for ages then try it.




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DILLIGAF2
DILLIGAF2
218 posts
218 posts
24 Oct 2009 7:54am
elthorpo said...

Personally, i have had kiters elbow for years. ill tell you how to fix it dont worry............................harden up you bunch of girls. So when your arms hurting dig deep and fight through the pain barrier. dont give me this repititive strain injury stuff, if your arm doesnt hurt now japie well it shows you havent given it a crack. I have broken several bones kiting and even ruptured my spleen trying to perfect tricks and you're having a cry cause your little arm hurts you poor thing. like i said harden up!!!!!!!!!!!
this link will explain how to fix kiters elbow.


LOL Agreed just starting kiting and have had 'windsurfer's elbow' for years. Harden the F**K Up

Great clip BTW
japie
japie
NSW
7146 posts
NSW, 7146 posts
24 Oct 2009 2:38pm
I find rubbing lavender oil on the sore spot helps. It also makes you smell nice
Tbaggn
Tbaggn
NSW
57 posts
NSW, 57 posts
24 Oct 2009 7:34pm
Fair dinkum, is this a kiters forum or a pussy's convention. Agree with elthorpo, harden up the lot of you!!

Japie, after wasting the lavender oil on the sore spot of your elbow, try applying it somewhere else. Not only will you smell good but you'll feel GREAT!!

.....the only problem is then you'll have WAN...S wrist and of course you'll need to put some on it as well!!

jumphi
jumphi
NSW
30 posts
NSW, 30 posts
24 Oct 2009 10:54pm
Tbaggn said...

Fair dinkum, is this a kiters forum or a pussy's convention. Agree with elthorpo, harden up the lot of you!!

Japie, after wasting the lavender oil on the sore spot of your elbow, try applying it somewhere else. Not only will you smell good but you'll feel GREAT!!

.....the only problem is then you'll have WAN...S wrist and of course you'll need to put some on it as well!!




Anyone who suggests to simply harden up obviously has'nt experienced the discomfort of kiters elbow. It can be extremely debilitating to the point of not being able to kite without some form of medication.

You can only hope that you don't suffer from this condition, believe me if you do you will be greatful for any help you can get
Tbaggn
Tbaggn
NSW
57 posts
NSW, 57 posts
25 Oct 2009 5:32pm
JUMPHI, I guess everyone has different pain threshholds. One person's "DEBILITATING KITERS ELBOW" is another person's minor niggle. Every season i get niggles in both my elbows......but not enough to whinge about. As for medication..... if it really hurts that bad, try BEER!! and plenty of it!!! Otherwise like I said, HARDEN UP!
grogamanda
grogamanda
VIC
53 posts
VIC, 53 posts
25 Oct 2009 7:07pm
go to the local chemist / Pharmacy and ask for a tennis elbow strap. Wear it while you kite and you wil notice a profound difference. It also helps the original injury to repair as the strap forces a slightly different muscle use in the wrist and elbow.

Also kite with your thumbs above the bar. That helped before I found these straps....They only cost $20.

I also found warm up exercises to be very beneficial. I wish I had thought about them today when I forgot to warm up and had shin splints for 2 hours. I fought through the pain though. This always happens when I have been away from kiting for a while.....

Have fun and I agree - it can be debilitating.

Cheers

Grog
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