leaky one pump system! a common problem......

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vespa
vespa
WA
54 posts
WA, 54 posts
6 Oct 2012 2:36pm
The one pump system has slow leaks on most of the cable tie connections to valve stems. I am thinking of using tighter cable ties or even sikaflex to stop this..
This would occur without most people noticing....
Any one got advice?????
NSW, 4382 posts
6 Oct 2012 5:06pm
vespa said...

The one pump system has slow leaks on most of the cable tie connections to valve stems. I am thinking of using tighter cable ties or even sikaflex to stop this..
This would occur without most people noticing....
Any one got advice?????


Some one pump designs are really sh1te, anything that has external plumbing is a good start, but then you need to have a close look at the connectors.
My experience fixing lots of kites is that there are some that should be avoided if possible. I can't name brands here as it just turns ugly really quick due to the dozens of pimps that inhabit the forums.
Send me a PM and I'll help you sort yours out. I would not recommend using sikaflex.
sir ROWDY
sir ROWDY
WA
5378 posts
WA, 5378 posts
6 Oct 2012 5:24pm
May I suggest that perhaps your problem with "slow leaks" isn't the hose, connectors or cable tie tightness, but in-fact may be a problem of the valve slowly lifting from the bladder underneath. This is a very common problem and will happen to 99% of all kite bladders after a period of time (usually a few years). Especially so when left in hot places such as a car or under the Australian sun.
Sometimes it might be hard to see, but it can be only the tinniest bit lifted from the bladder. Try testing the bladder in water first before replacing all that other stuff.

If this is the problem you can fix it by removing the valve in hot water, cleaning both surfaces and re-sticking them together with a good vinyl adhesive.

Sorry if this isn't the case!
stamp
stamp
QLD
2800 posts
QLD, 2800 posts
6 Oct 2012 9:00pm
the tubing perishes in the sun/salt and will start to leak. tighter ties will only make things worse.
replacing the tube is easy and cheap. just make sure you use uv resistant cable ties otherwise they will perish pretty quickly too.
vespa
vespa
WA
54 posts
WA, 54 posts
6 Oct 2012 9:20pm
Cheers for the help..
the kite is a eclipse 09. All external plumbing.
I held the kite in the pool so it accurately identified the leak. The leaks have gradually worsened over the past year!
The leaks are from beneath cable ties that clamp the one pump hoses connecting plastic right angle double males.
The other leaks are from where the female valve stem connects to the plastic right angle double males.
If this is unclear I could take a pic for you!!
I reckon the cable ties were loose from factory. I am aware though overtightening new ones could create more problems.
Its been a good kite so far. I have dropped it under overhead waves often and its still got its original shape!
Whats best practice here??
sir ROWDY
sir ROWDY
WA
5378 posts
WA, 5378 posts
6 Oct 2012 9:33pm
Well, new tubes and ties by the sounds of it...
craggers
craggers
WA
475 posts
WA, 475 posts
6 Oct 2012 10:20pm
why does tight new ones cause probs? about.to put new ones on my Havoc... supertight is where i was headed...
puppetonastring
puppetonastring
WA
3619 posts
WA, 3619 posts
7 Oct 2012 12:56am
Many new kites - 2011 & 2012 now come with bladder valves welded instead glued.
These cannot be removed by the hot water treatment suggested.
Only way to replace faulty valves in the newer kites is to cut out the whole of the raised centre section - very carefully - I use a scalpel - then fit the replacement stick-on over the hole & the old flange which stays put.
Important to put a piece of tissue paper under the cut out hole so the inner sticky section of the replacement doesnt stick to the other side of the bladder!

As for the problem in question. Definitely looks like the transfer tubes. On most kites they are long enough to trim the offending end off then refit & replace a cable tie.
And yes tightening a small thin hard plastic tie too tight on the softer tube often causes them to cut into, and eventually through, the tube. Gently tight is better than pulling a Tarzan act.
craggers
craggers
WA
475 posts
WA, 475 posts
7 Oct 2012 10:49am

And yes tightening a small thin hard plastic tie too tight on the softer tube often causes them to cut into, and eventually through, the tube. Gently tight is better than pulling a Tarzan act.

ah yep, of course. the ol' commonsense rule!
tightlines
tightlines
WA
3509 posts
WA, 3509 posts
7 Oct 2012 11:20am
Just replace the ties, make sure you use fairly small ones (even use two on each connection) because some of the bigger, stiffer ones don't form a very good circle when pulled down tight on a small circumfrence.

I used to fly Eclipse kites, the main kite I used was the 6 Kima and I had no problems with it for the first year or so.
The first time it deflated on me was in the heats of the Wedge wave comp, the very first turn on my first wave it folded, helicoptered and crashed (Murphy's Law) .

I discovered that air was leaking from a hose on the one pump system due to a loose cable tie so I replaced all the cable ties on it (kept the same tubing) and never had a problem again.

I think Knickers still has that kite and it's still going strong?
I will have to ask her nicely if I can have a go on it this summer, I loved that kite.
brady
brady
TAS
454 posts
TAS, 454 posts
8 Oct 2012 11:43am
vespa said...
Cheers for the help..
the kite is a eclipse 09. All external plumbing.
I held the kite in the pool so it accurately identified the leak. The leaks have gradually worsened over the past year!
The leaks are from beneath cable ties that clamp the one pump hoses connecting plastic right angle double males.
The other leaks are from where the female valve stem connects to the plastic right angle double males.
If this is unclear I could take a pic for you!!
I reckon the cable ties were loose from factory. I am aware though overtightening new ones could create more problems.
Its been a good kite so far. I have dropped it under overhead waves often and its still got its original shape!
Whats best practice here??


My 2009 Eclipse 6m had the exact same leak you described.

I put on a second cable tie and it has been sweet ever since.

I think these kites are the most indestructible EVER, in the history of everything. I've put them over the falls in big surf. I treat them really badly. And they are still crispy.

The only thing is the rubber holding the quick release on the bar set-up had cracked and looked ready to fail. But I pulled it apart and put a bit of shock cord on and I reckon I can keep trashing them for another couple of years.
KiteBud
KiteBud
WA
1615 posts
WA, 1615 posts
8 Oct 2012 6:31pm
tightlines said...
Just replace the ties, make sure you use fairly small ones (even use two on each connection) because some of the bigger, stiffer ones don't form a very good circle when pulled down tight on a small circumfrence.


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Start by changing your cable ties with smaller ones and go from there
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