lightwind combo: hydrofoil-board + foil-kite

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Jacques
Jacques
NSW
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NSW, 159 posts
30 Jul 2008 10:54am
enjoy the vid:


does anyone have a hydrofoil board in Sydney area... I would love to try it one day...
ewan kite
ewan kite
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30 Jul 2008 11:06am
there is no way that was 3-4 knots because there was white caps.
Coose
Coose
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30 Jul 2008 11:40am
ewan kite said...

there is no way that was 3-4 knots because there was white caps.


sorry to say but what your seeing is the wake off the boats there are no white caps caused by the wind in this movie
ewan kite
ewan kite
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30 Jul 2008 11:52am
Coose said...

ewan kite said...

there is no way that was 3-4 knots because there was white caps.


sorry to say but what your seeing is the wake off the boats there are no white caps caused by the wind in this movie


there are whitecaps right in the background and on the waves close to the shore.
Firiejason
Firiejason
SA
69 posts
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30 Jul 2008 11:31am
Guy from Red Baron Kiteboarding School has one in Adelaide. I've never seen it used though. He hires gear out so I might give it a go this summer if he'll let me...

Anyone on here used one?
vertigo
vertigo
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34 posts
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30 Jul 2008 12:07pm
Thats mad, was only a matter of time before someone tried a hydrofoil.

I see no white caps?? Theres some boats on the far shore that kinda look like waves at first glance?
Saffer
Saffer
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30 Jul 2008 12:37pm
In their defense, I've been at St Kilda when its almost glass in 6-8 knots and you can see whitecaps back in the middle of the bay so its quite feasible.
lancekenny
lancekenny
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30 Jul 2008 1:39pm
I see whitecaps at 28 seconds between the rider and the beach and shortly after - whitecaps or not though thats bloody light winds and looks like a great way to cruise around - not going to get too pumped I wouldnt think with boosting enourmous airs and what not - but that would be super relaxing on a hot still day!

I could use a 1.9m kite today with the winds hitting the west coast at the moment!
Kitesplosh
Kitesplosh
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30 Jul 2008 5:52pm
Someone was using one at Dolls Point last year at one of Kitepower's demo days. Not sure who it belonged to and didnt manage to get a go myself. Looks like its v different to a normal board, as most people trying it for the first time couldn't get it up. But one bloke (prob the owner) was cruising around like on the vid and it looked awesome.

Maybe ask steve at Kitepower- he should know who it belongs to.

KS
M8
M8
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M8 M8
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30 Jul 2008 5:55pm
M8 Kiteboarding are the exclusive distributors in oz for Carafino foilboards. You can contact them directly [email protected] to arrange a demo cheers

It is possible to use a foilboard in lighter winds as the foil creates lift, not drag like a conventional board
Jacques
Jacques
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30 Jul 2008 8:20pm
thanks for the info, hopefully we can arrange for a demo!

Regarding the wind range of this type of boards: it seems to start way earlier than a conventional twin type, however, the top end would probably be way lower too...
- so: how big is the usable wind range compared to a normal TT, let's say on a 10m kite?
- how does it behave when heavily powered or overpowered??
- can you land jumps with such board?

cheers
Jacques
Rebel
Rebel
NSW
165 posts
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30 Jul 2008 8:50pm
We have one at Balmoral Boards in Narrabeen..
Come down anytime and the boys are willing to help anytime.
nickloop
nickloop
WA
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31 Jul 2008 6:35am
wonder if it would be possible to have a removeable foil that you could fit to a kiteboard, surfboard. So if the winds were low you could clip/screw it on and remove it when wind was stronger?
Jacques
Jacques
NSW
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31 Jul 2008 8:42am
from memory, the hydrofoil was removable on the first carafino boards, offering the option to ride without it too... but not 100% sure, can anyone confirm?
Kitehard
Kitehard
WA
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31 Jul 2008 9:05am
Hi guys,

The Foilboard in Sydney is privately owned and is a Carafino Foilboard. I haven't used it but know the owner. He says i is quite difficult to get the hang of itbut once you get up and going it is quite a unique experience, very quiet, no bumps, high out of the water and smooth.
From memory you could take the foil off the board, but I remember thinking it wouldn't be something you would do to get the best of both worlds.

They get going in fairly light winds and ride upwind with ease in the light stuff. I would imagine with a lot of experience you could ride in next to nothing after you break the board itself out of the water and up onto the foil, resistance is minimal.

Top end would be severely reduced as you dont seem to edge against them as such. In strong winds you would just have to use smaller kites.

They do look like a fun challenge and a nice break from the norm, but are pretty expensive as a toy for when you are bored with traditional kiting. I'd like one, but wouldn't part with the cash required.

Just my 2 bobs worth

Good winds,

nickloop
nickloop
WA
138 posts
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31 Jul 2008 8:20pm
If anyone has a detailed picture/ plans of size shape etc my mate recons he could make one(being a metal worker) and fit it to my old board. So if anyone has these or could get hold of, we would be greatful. would be worth the crack to try it.
ianyoung
ianyoung
WA
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31 Jul 2008 11:56pm
The 19m Flysurfer SilverArrow also has a lot to do with it
Saffer
Saffer
VIC
4501 posts
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1 Aug 2008 9:15am
nickloop said...

If anyone has a detailed picture/ plans of size shape etc my mate recons he could make one(being a metal worker) and fit it to my old board. So if anyone has these or could get hold of, we would be greatful. would be worth the crack to try it.


The carafino one is carbon fibre. If you make it from metal you'll need to wear two lifejackets just to keep it afloat and then you'll probably need bindings. The reason you get away with straps on the carafino is because of the light weight.

Keahi
Keahi
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1 Aug 2008 9:47am
perfect way to break your ankles
au_rick
au_rick
WA
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WA, 752 posts
1 Aug 2008 8:41am
Carafino board look good, was gonna get one last year but decided against it in the end as the idea of board riding is to ride the board, ie. egde, carve, turn, in contact with the water...

But, if you want a super smooth ride and no contact with the water then go fot it, they are said to have awesome upwind ability too

M8 in qld are the official importers, around $1500 for the carbon fibre model.
ianyoung
ianyoung
WA
649 posts
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1 Aug 2008 9:19am
Marty from Delta @ Margaret River was making some hydrofoils - don't know how he went with them?
myusernam
myusernam
QLD
6160 posts
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1 Aug 2008 10:49pm
Foilboards BAH

Used to airchair/skyski for many years (sit down waterski hydrofoil). Have not tried the stand up type waterski or kiteboard. Was into it when they brought out the stand up foil in the waterskiing arena. It never took off. I believe they are fundamentaly limited in what you can do on them and they will never really be anything more than a curiosity.

Have a look at the company's website (there's only one making them so that should be a clue) and check out the standard of riding. dudes going along in a straight line. see any landed jumps (not just pictures of guys in the air but styling jumps and RIDING away, inverts or aything that looks like it might be fun. I don't know why a company would release such an expensive product where the sum total of the skill you can aspire to is to foil along in a straight line. There's no team riders doing any wild stuff at all. Go to tha air-chair or the skyski websites or check out the hydrofoil forums - wont see too many mentions of standup (waterskiing) hydrofoils. Don't think you can buy them anymore. It was because they crap to ride let alone dangerous. Sure the foil will get you going in light wind, but dont scratch them or even let them rub on the sand or it will feel like a dog (even tarnish on the polished aluminium waterski ones makes it feel horrible). It's best to level out before you jump (so you can't be leaning over or loading the kite) and you sorta need to land on the same angle you take off from. Because you are standing on the board if you try any inverts and get them wrong, there is the potential for the foil to hit your body and do serious injury, and they don't have a wide speed range that they like to travel at Anyway I know I am being a bit negative but thought someone might appreciate a different point of view. And as for the light wind thing - you gotta mow the lawn, spend time with the missus or go fishing sometime!
dachopper
dachopper
WA
1802 posts
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1 Aug 2008 10:22pm
... It does say 6 - 8 kts on the video which is believable.... youv'e got to be desperate though! especially if you need a 19.5 meter kite to get you up!

expensive way to do business.... 19.5 meter kite + carbon foiling kiteboard = $$$$$$
Jacques
Jacques
NSW
159 posts
NSW, 159 posts
2 Aug 2008 10:33am
Saffer said...

nickloop said...

If anyone has a detailed picture/ plans of size shape etc my mate recons he could make one(being a metal worker) and fit it to my old board. So if anyone has these or could get hold of, we would be greatful. would be worth the crack to try it.


The carafino one is carbon fibre. If you make it from metal you'll need to wear two lifejackets just to keep it afloat and then you'll probably need bindings. The reason you get away with straps on the carafino is because of the light weight.



I have read that some people are able to ride this strapless (well, at least one person).
Jacques
Jacques
NSW
159 posts
NSW, 159 posts
5 Aug 2008 12:23am
in this (BTW nice) video, at 5'38'' and 6'57'' a guy is riding a hydrofoil strapless:
www.dailymotion.com/video/x65314
nickloop
nickloop
WA
138 posts
WA, 138 posts
5 Aug 2008 1:18am
Saffer said...

nickloop said...

If anyone has a detailed picture/ plans of size shape etc my mate recons he could make one(being a metal worker) and fit it to my old board. So if anyone has these or could get hold of, we would be greatful. would be worth the crack to try it.


The carafino one is carbon fibre. If you make it from metal you'll need to wear two lifejackets just to keep it afloat and then you'll probably need bindings. The reason you get away with straps on the carafino is because of the light weight.


was thinking more of ally than steel, but sure have seen one made of stainless steel, which would be bloody hard to make.

myusernam
myusernam
QLD
6160 posts
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5 Aug 2008 7:35pm
nickloop said...

Saffer said...

nickloop said...

If anyone has a detailed picture/ plans of size shape etc my mate recons he could make one(being a metal worker) and fit it to my old board. So if anyone has these or could get hold of, we would be greatful. would be worth the crack to try it.


The carafino one is carbon fibre. If you make it from metal you'll need to wear two lifejackets just to keep it afloat and then you'll probably need bindings. The reason you get away with straps on the carafino is because of the light weight.


was thinking more of ally than steel, but sure have seen one made of stainless steel, which would be bloody hard to make.




aluminium is the go - then you can shape with a bog file! - works amazingly well. The board that it is attatched to will float it. I was wrong in my earlier post you can still by the skyski stand up ones but I think they are still a bit of a novelty. You could make your own if you were real keen but there is a fair bit to it though, with slight variations making a big difference. The waterskiing ones have a large front foil on a t-bar with a much smaller rear foil. The front foil is on a horizontal plane with a flat underside and rounded edges on the top to give it a diving bias and the rear foil is much smaler, positioned behind the front foil and is angled to give you an up bias. What you are chasing is a balance point so that you can ride along (I always thought it felt like balancing on the rear 2 legs of your chair at school) and then when you want to go up or down you lean forward or back. The front foil is much bigger - i gues like a plane wing - for stability, and you can just shim the rear foil more or less for the amount of lift or kick you want. There are heaps of factors though like the distance between the two foils obviously and the height of the T-bar. Being water it is so dense and really a different kettle of fish when you are running things throught it rather than just on it. The origional air-chair foils came powdercoated and it was common to strip the paint and remove a lot of the excess meat with a bog file. Then you could sharpen the leading edge of the t-bar and shim the rear foil etc. You could have two chairs that looked the same but one could ride terribly just because of the tuning. Unless you were used to riding them before you tried to make one, and had one to copy I would say that it would be a fair effort to build one yourself. BTW if you do have a go just be carefull because if the aluminium foil hits you on a stack (not possible with the sit down ones but possible with the standing type) it could cause one hell of an injury.

there is some info and some exploded parts diagrams on the two websites. Skski.com and and airchair.com
NSW, 4382 posts
6 Aug 2008 9:43am
The board seen at Dolls is owned by 'French Frank", Marine Sudre's dad, it doubles as their irowning board. I said irowning, becaue that is the correct french way to pronouce the Englich word ironing.
Anyway to respect Frank (aka Mr Gouzo) we all speak Fringlish or even Englich down at dolls now when the Gouzo guy is there.

Frank can ride it very well and really did not take that long to learn how to. The board came with some instructions and a DVd I think? Franks partner purchased it from the USA, not in Australia.
There were major delays in getting it, they were not impressed by the service and lack of communication, it is the carafino brand.

The trick to riding it is to ride the foil, the board is never really edged and is ridden flat, tilting it forwards and aft to raise and lower the board height.
Watching Frank over last summer it would give him the bottom end of a 16M kite, many times he and I were the only ones on the water, but he was on a 12M SB3 (his biggest kite) and I was on an SB3 16M and 1.52x44FLX.
Frank weighs about 75kgs (when e ees not too Gouzo)

Lots of fun watching other mortals try to ride it!!

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve
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