localism in surf

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TurtleHunter
TurtleHunter
WA
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20 Aug 2010 10:14am
Good or bad or has its place
If gnarloo had real locals would it be spread all over the internet.
If it wasn't all over the net would you still be able to go out there without fighting off every tom dick and harry. Where the vibes good and everyone just takes it in turns. I know the Carnarvon locals would have loved to have kept it like that.(very distant memories).
The other question is should kiters learn from this.
Surf mags don't name waves neither should we.
I can imagine even in flat water there will be kiters who wish their local spots hadn't been plastered all over the net as the place for euroes to go.
Personally I like having others enjoy it with me especially after doing it on my own for so long but I understand we are looked at like jetskies in the surf and there is never enough waves for everyone when looking at it from a surfers point of view.
Driesdtl
Driesdtl
37 posts
37 posts
20 Aug 2010 10:34am
some Funnies...:)









getfunky
getfunky
WA
4485 posts
WA, 4485 posts
20 Aug 2010 11:28am
Always bad. Always.

Localism:
The method employed by the desperate and feeble minded who think somehow they have a claim to mother ocean in their vicinity. The same tools are happy to globetrot to exotic destinations to sample the wares there, but expect water-lovers to fk right off from their local sh!tty knee high closeouts (Perf specific here).

Strictly for those underpacked in the family jewels dept.



BTW, not advertsinig your local spot makes sense, but it's not the same as hassling or getting biffo-keen if someone paddles into your fav line-up.
stamp
stamp
QLD
2800 posts
QLD, 2800 posts
20 Aug 2010 1:41pm
localism is ugly, but in some spots its the only way the locals can get a wave. its all well and good to share but sometimes there are just too many people in the water and it only takes one to ignore the rules for the whole system to collapse.

personally i prefer to ride a poorer wave with fewer crew than get involved in the agro at the more well known spots
TurtleHunter
TurtleHunter
WA
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20 Aug 2010 11:53am
^^^^ yeah funny
That would be localism
I agree everyone has the right to enjoy the ocean(or supermarket) just don't spoil it for others.
superlizard
superlizard
VIC
702 posts
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20 Aug 2010 2:14pm
aren't the locals paying council rates for the municipality within which they live, which includes the local beaches, parks etc... hence they are paying for the maintenance and tax for such area... they may have also paid the higher price to be able to live closer to the beach...

i reckon, whilst hardcore localism is bad, and whilst everyone is entitled to go to any public beach, the locals should be respected in some way...

how about if locals are the ones carefuly protecting their local spot by playing it safe and careful, and then you get some outsider idiots who come with no respect, and then ignite the old ban campaigns (which seems to be occuring more and more)... and then those idiots will go to another spot to kite, whilst locals (who still pay local taxes) are left without their favourite local spot to utilise... i reckon, bring on localism to any idiots who lack respect and comon sense !!!
champoo
champoo
WA
36 posts
WA, 36 posts
20 Aug 2010 1:13pm
I agree with superlizard.
A little bit of local respect, common sense and a g'day on the beach does't go astray.
We are the ones who have to live here all year round.
waveslave
waveslave
WA
4263 posts
WA, 4263 posts
20 Aug 2010 1:56pm
stamp said...

localism is ugly, but in some spots its the only way the locals can get a wave.


The inventor of wavekiting should have kept his big mouth shut, hey ?
Six kites and 24 strings can totally clusterf#ck a nice wavebreak if some of the riders are clueless.
Naturally localism will raise it's ugly head in times of anarchy.
It then becomes a management tool to re-establish some meaning of order (and fun).
Gumbies dicking around in sizey waves on the main peak can be a safety issue for others.
But some folks may suggest that localism is an egocentric sense of self-entitlement.
I always think it's better to kite with friends rather than with your enemies.

KITE NOW
APOCALYPSE LATER

lol.
Mattress
Mattress
NSW
120 posts
NSW, 120 posts
20 Aug 2010 4:47pm
Localism has its place. There is nothing worse than hanging out all week watching the calm ocean only to have people turn up from out of town and overcrowd the beach as soon as the wind arrives.

It's ok when there are just a few blowins and they share and don't do 100m runs back and forth through the best spots and respect common sense safety.

Locals will generally obey the rules and be safer with bystanders and other water users because they will ultimately suffer the most if their spot is banned. Some spots have a limit on how many kiters can kite at the same time.

When I turn up to a beach for a surf and it's crowded I go somewhere else. Blowins should do the same.

Wogboy1
Wogboy1
24 posts
24 posts
20 Aug 2010 3:05pm
I can see why some locals get upset, especially with threats of kite bans etc. It could take just one visitor doing the wrong thing to get there spot shut down. They expect us to self regulate and enforce to keep our ridding spots so what do you?
trevor1
trevor1
WA
598 posts
WA, 598 posts
20 Aug 2010 3:11pm
superlizard said...

aren't the locals paying council rates for the municipality within which they live, which includes the local beaches, parks etc... hence they are paying for the maintenance and tax for such area... they may have also paid the higher price to be able to live closer to the beach...
...


Only if you are the property owner !!!
au_rick
au_rick
WA
752 posts
WA, 752 posts
20 Aug 2010 3:23pm
Mattress said...

Localism has its place. There is nothing worse than hanging out all week watching the calm ocean only to have people turn up from out of town and overcrowd the beach as soon as the wind arrives.

It's ok when there are just a few blowins and they share and don't do 100m runs back and forth through the best spots and respect common sense safety.

Locals will generally obey the rules and be safer with bystanders and other water users because they will ultimately suffer the most if their spot is banned. Some spots have a limit on how many kiters can kite at the same time.

When I turn up to a beach for a surf and it's crowded I go somewhere else. Blowins should do the same.




Maybe those "blowins" are just there trying to escape from the overcrowding at their "local" break ??
au_rick
au_rick
WA
752 posts
WA, 752 posts
20 Aug 2010 3:25pm
trevor1 said...

superlizard said...

aren't the locals paying council rates for the municipality within which they live, which includes the local beaches, parks etc... hence they are paying for the maintenance and tax for such area... they may have also paid the higher price to be able to live closer to the beach...
...


Only if you are the property owner !!!


WRONG, there are VERY few property owners who "own" any land lower than the high tide mark.

I do know of one and am thinking of approaching them about kiting on their beach, they'd ahve a perfect business model for charging people by the hour to be on their land !!
Wogboy1
Wogboy1
24 posts
24 posts
20 Aug 2010 4:27pm
Even if you do own land right down to the water, i dont think you can stop people from accessing the beach. There are a lot of farmers who have land going right to the water and they have to provide public access. But ideally how good would it be to have your own beach with a good surf break
getfunky
getfunky
WA
4485 posts
WA, 4485 posts
20 Aug 2010 4:35pm
superlizard said...

aren't the locals paying council rates for the municipality within which they live, which includes the local beaches, parks etc... hence they are paying for the maintenance and tax for such area... they may have also paid the higher price to be able to live closer to the beach...



So they enjoy the $$$ view every single day and get far more opportunities to cross the road and enjoy the public space - therefore they should be willing to share when Mal from Meekatharra turns up on his ONLY chance to enjoy the same public space.

I live 3kms from the beach and don't think I have any more ownership than someone from the sticks. Why should some filthy rich dude living accross the road form the beach? They can probably afford to jet off to a private Island (and should) if they get knicker-twisted about sharing public space.

Gotta turn that localised telescope around and have a look the other way.
phx
phx
SA
20 posts
phx phx
SA, 20 posts
20 Aug 2010 7:25pm
Your council deliberately spends your rates to attract bunches of blowins to spend money at your local deli :P

Yet another reason to distrust the pollies ;)
TurtleHunter
TurtleHunter
WA
1675 posts
WA, 1675 posts
20 Aug 2010 6:07pm
self regulation can only be done with fair or respectful localism. I am not saying bash someone for riding at your local but at the end of the day its the local riders who have to enforce the rules so every one can enjoy.
getfunky
getfunky
WA
4485 posts
WA, 4485 posts
20 Aug 2010 7:17pm
Yeh Turtle - I guess that would be better termed being locally pro-active. (PC boolocks sounding tho).

The term localism is loaded - and to most means selfish orshools dominating a break(s) with no rhyme or reason, just coz they orshools. [}:)]H[}:)]

Please see Trigg Point for examples on a decent swell day.


Nuttin wrong with being locally proactive BTW, but localism is only a thin application of zinc away from redneck. "Fk orf - the break is full!" (of rednecks )

colinwill78
colinwill78
VIC
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VIC, 1395 posts
20 Aug 2010 9:22pm
superlizard
superlizard
VIC
702 posts
VIC, 702 posts
20 Aug 2010 10:42pm
getfunky said...
So they enjoy the $$$ view every single day and get far more opportunities to cross the road and enjoy the public space - therefore they should be willing to share when Mal from Meekatharra turns up on his ONLY chance to enjoy the same public space.

I live 3kms from the beach and don't think I have any more ownership than someone from the sticks. Why should some filthy rich dude living accross the road form the beach? They can probably afford to jet off to a private Island (and should) if they get knicker-twisted about sharing public space.

Gotta turn that localised telescope around and have a look the other way.


as i mentioned, locals do'nt own the beach space... so it's not so much about the ownership as much as consequences of bad behaviour.... the non-locals need to pay due respect and ensure their actions don't have any negative effects for the locals... for example, whenever i went to a new out-of town beach, including different states... i've always first approached locals and asked about the rules, where to rig, etc etc... so it's that simple. If everyone has respect and common sense, no need for the "localism" of that type that you are talking about...


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