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richo
richo
QLD
337 posts
richo richo
QLD, 337 posts
29 Nov 2005 3:38pm

I am a keen kiter and hate to voice my personal opinion, but so many families use currumbin alley and as much as I hate to admit it they are probably right.

The only way to make this happen is to change legislation to force kiters to get shipping licences (can you believe this ****..you have got to be joking). This will mean that all kiters must be 200m or more away from any swimmers. Now a shipping licence cost money and is a pain in the arse to get. I think the idea is to force us out of Currumbin. I doubt the requirement of a shipping licence would be enforced anywhere else. Just were the powers that be decide they do not want kiters.

I do not know how this will be enforced. It does not seem practical to me but that is the latest folks. It is quite clever actually. This will take a long time to happen perhaps a year. It would seem the dragon of city hall has been awoken and is staring straight at us.


the duke of dork
the duke of dork
WA
175 posts
the duke of dork the duke of dork
WA, 175 posts
29 Nov 2005 2:18pm
what a joke.....i would love to know how they could police it! is old mate from the local council going to swim out & forcibly remove a kiter.(i doubt it) how bout setting up just up from currumbin downwinding it ,have a play around at the alley n lacy's then wait for Mr Ranger or whoever and play a bit of cat n mouse..... actually could be fun!!!!
Ben De Jonge
Ben De Jonge
WA
819 posts
Ben De Jonge Ben De Jonge
WA, 819 posts
29 Nov 2005 2:24pm
Great idea Duke, you might get really lucky and put someone else in a wheel chair. Then you'd be having a real good time.

Richo - How did the old girl get cleaned up originally?? I missed that story if it ever made it onto this forum.
bondo
bondo
QLD
699 posts
bondo bondo
QLD, 699 posts
29 Nov 2005 4:45pm
lost the use of her legs? WTF happened to her?

or has she just gained the ability to extract a crapload of compo?
CarlBevo
CarlBevo
NSW
609 posts
CarlBevo CarlBevo
NSW, 609 posts
29 Nov 2005 5:47pm
Richo more info please
the duke of dork
the duke of dork
WA
175 posts
the duke of dork the duke of dork
WA, 175 posts
29 Nov 2005 2:47pm
BenDoJenge, this was an accident that happened on the beach.Accidents happen in every sport!my view is not to put more people in wheelchairs, but stop people flying powerfull kites on the beach in populated areas.i dont think they should punish everyone for a accident.....
murphy
murphy
WA
2 posts
murphy murphy
WA, 2 posts
29 Nov 2005 3:12pm
I thought swimming was banned in the ally there are big no swimming signs there so swim at own risk I say.
CarlBevo
CarlBevo
NSW
609 posts
CarlBevo CarlBevo
NSW, 609 posts
29 Nov 2005 7:31pm
Richo I reckon contact AKSA and ask for help / WAKSA could be worth contacting for some advcice??,WAKSA have dealt with an impending ban succesfully before but the ban never involved an actual physical incident,

I cant stress the importance of the Currumbin crew getting together and uniting to form some kind of working group as suggested by Richo
paulio
paulio
QLD
890 posts
paulio paulio
QLD, 890 posts
29 Nov 2005 8:02pm
Richo you should put your job on the line, get in there and argue nicely, or send Gene down there hes unreal when dealing with council dudes.

P.S If you lose your job Fitzy will put u on the pimpin payroll
Fitzy
Fitzy
QLD
617 posts
Fitzy Fitzy
QLD, 617 posts
29 Nov 2005 9:30pm
Yeah Richo. I will always have a job for a well credentialled crash test dummy.

Hope Currumbin doesn't get banned as all the guys will then find out about Kite Island and invade one of the best spots on he coast.

Fitzy Gold Coast OZ
greenleader
greenleader
QLD
5283 posts
greenleader greenleader
QLD, 5283 posts
29 Nov 2005 11:57pm
all jokes aside.
currumbin is a small estuary ,with swimmers of all ages,watercraft users and lifeguards and vmr looking on.
kiters are unfortunately an accident that happened.
overcrowding of beginners and showoffs has led to the inevitable.
waveslave
waveslave
WA
4263 posts
waveslave waveslave
WA, 4263 posts
29 Nov 2005 10:04pm
But Currumbin surfbreak isn't banned to kiting ?

So what's the problem ?
greenleader
greenleader
QLD
5283 posts
greenleader greenleader
QLD, 5283 posts
30 Nov 2005 12:14am
'slave, the whole break is a shipping channel.
governed by harbours and marine.
if kites are banned???!!!???!!!

lucky i can still windsurf.i think.
taterchip
taterchip
QLD
211 posts
taterchip taterchip
QLD, 211 posts
30 Nov 2005 12:56am
yeh well we all knew this wasn't too far away...and yep getting all the kiters together as a unified group with a voice is the only way to negotiate with council about this...

The 'greyness' to this whole issue is tho that the Alley is not a safe swimming area (as per all the huge sign posts) BUT....cause people always get swept out to sea there, they have HAD to put in some lifesavers (whom i might add dont seem to hate us kiters as i've quite often had them stop on their jetski's and boats to return my board to me), so people now think its a safe swimming beach, which its NOT.

The Gold Coast is full of SAFE SWIMMING beaches, but still people choose to go to the Alley, even tho its sign posted as dangerous.

I have to admit - i find it amazing that families come down to the Alley and set themselves up for the day on the kiting launch beach...People dont even realise whats going on around them. I dont understand why they wouldn't set up on the other side (right near the lifeguards) and away from the kiters.

I think the Alley has room for both, Kiters beach (u know where it is) and all other beach goers setup on the other side of the carpark (where most people go anyway)

Maybe us Kiters need to put it to the council for some more signage warning people about the kiting activities (launching and landing of kites) and designate areas for us both.

We would be able to share the area as there is BEACH SPACE FOR BOTH (kiters and families - keeping to their relative beaches) and Kiting is only to be outside in the surf zone and inside the Estuary (where very few people swim anyway) and NO KITING out front of where the life guards patrol and the surf schools operate.

This seems like a reasonable compromise to me....Anyway, i've upped a quick pic of what i think WOULD be fair - i'm sure it has holes and i welcome more input/criticism to this.(and its only MY opinion)www.seabreeze.com.au/gallery/gallery.asp?imageid=811&shownew=on

Another factor is....When it gets really windy, most the beach goers leave anyway, so why should the sport be banned when the wind is up and the beach/water is predominately empty ?


anyway, thats all i can think to write at the moment
greenleader
greenleader
QLD
5283 posts
greenleader greenleader
QLD, 5283 posts
30 Nov 2005 1:04am
nicely done taterchipster,
lets hope kiters can unite and we can save our fave spot.

any suggestions?

lets call a meeting?
the duke of dork
the duke of dork
WA
175 posts
the duke of dork the duke of dork
WA, 175 posts
30 Nov 2005 10:44am
indeed Greeny, the mermaid tav should do just fine....
Spacemonkey!
Spacemonkey!
SA
2288 posts
Spacemonkey! Spacemonkey!
SA, 2288 posts
30 Nov 2005 4:17pm
Swimmers for some reason think it is cool to hang around kiteboarders and watch em. What they dont understand is tat they are doing the equivalent of racing spectactors of to standing in the middle of a track.
richo
richo
QLD
337 posts
richo richo
QLD, 337 posts
30 Nov 2005 4:45pm
om every one lay off the councillor . Ok once more...department of transport not council has any power in this regard.

holy hell leave her alone and focus on good friendly positive relations. Ringing up and hasseling the councilor will only harden her resolve against us.

You will have plenty of warning before any legislation is being passed. Then and only then do you get nasty. Right now we need friends in high places.

If the boys get themselves organised this will turn out ok.

fitzy you just let me know when you want me on the payrole and i will put the crash test helmet on ad rip



professor
professor
QLD
277 posts
professor professor
QLD, 277 posts
30 Nov 2005 6:28pm
Im big enough to be a ship. What does that make paulio
scottie is a rubber dingy and greenleader is a rubber floaty
I'll come to a meeting let me know when.
user
user
WA
1140 posts
user user
WA, 1140 posts
30 Nov 2005 5:42pm
quote:
Originally posted by Spacemonkey!

Swimmers for some reason think it is cool to hang around kiteboarders and watch em. What they dont understand is tat they are doing the equivalent of racing spectactors of to standing in the middle of a track.


You are back to front boy !

What you are actually doing is the equivalent of driving a race car through a public park !

Wake up for crying out loud !!!

Knobs with an attitude like yours are what will get kiting banned !
anton
anton
202 posts
anton anton
202 posts
30 Nov 2005 5:43pm
Flashing back to my crusty old days in the merchant navy [}:)] The difference between a ship and a boat is that the ship requires assistance berthing, ie tug/pilot. What about a submarine? Submarines are boats (eg U-boat) because they don't carry life-boats. So a ship can carry a boat but not vice versa.
PsYLoR
PsYLoR
QLD
927 posts
PsYLoR PsYLoR
QLD, 927 posts
30 Nov 2005 8:54pm
im one of those pool poles
Spacemonkey!
Spacemonkey!
SA
2288 posts
Spacemonkey! Spacemonkey!
SA, 2288 posts
30 Nov 2005 10:01pm
quote:
Originally posted by user

quote:
Originally posted by Spacemonkey!

Swimmers for some reason think it is cool to hang around kiteboarders and watch em. What they dont understand is tat they are doing the equivalent of racing spectactors of to standing in the middle of a track.


You are back to front boy !

What you are actually doing is the equivalent of driving a race car through a public park !

Wake up for crying out loud !!!

Knobs with an attitude like yours are what will get kiting banned !


i see what you mean but you don't understand the circumstances im talking about. When you go kiteboarding where no one ever usually swims people will rock u to check it out. If you chose to kite on a normally crowded beach area then deal with, you are right. If swimmers are just moving towards the kites then it is diferent. Hence me saying that swimmers like to hang around kiteboarders.

Some people think its their duty to swimwhere you are kiting to help retrieve your board. When you are kiting in a well recognised kiting spot where people would not normally swim then it is how i originally said it to be. I'm not telling swimmers to F@CK off just a bit of understanding and public education would go a long way, some people are idiots.

What do you have to say to that, btw my response didnt have much attitude did it??
waveslave
waveslave
WA
4263 posts
waveslave waveslave
WA, 4263 posts
30 Nov 2005 7:33pm
I'm not seeing much compassion.
I can sympathize with the poor lady who has lost the use of her legs.
Bummer.

A very unfortunate incident.
My sincere wish for a speedy recovery.

regards
'slave
greenleader
greenleader
QLD
5283 posts
greenleader greenleader
QLD, 5283 posts
1 Dec 2005 1:34am
unfortunately we still do not know the full facts on this matter,
perhaps no-one should get heated and for the time being we should all steer clear of the flat water inner section of currumbin.
obviously a big ask for the short sighted.
but once it's gone it's bluddy gone.
i'm sure all vmr and the general public want is for us to not take over the small inner beach and estuary and stay out in the outer break like every other high speed water user has been legislated to do.
water police told me two years ago that currumbin is a six knot zone for "vessels" and if the matter comes up, then legislation will be passed to enforce this to new unclassified watersports such as ours.
currently we are not a vessel but a watersports accessory(e.g. wakeboard, surfboard)
so before this goes to court, will every one heed this as a time to get some common sense and try to convince the powers that be that we are not a menace, but a responsible and legitimate part of the community.
e.g. grow up all of ya's
regards ian
taterchip
taterchip
QLD
211 posts
taterchip taterchip
QLD, 211 posts
3 Dec 2005 12:41pm
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Kitepower Australia
NSW
4382 posts
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Kitepower Australia Kitepower Australia
NSW, 4382 posts
3 Dec 2005 4:43pm
When I as was more involved in AKSA, we were told that Waterways in Vic, NSW and Qld had classified kitesurfers as "vessels", and as far as I know that is still the case.

So if the authorities want to go down this road it will be very easy. Waterways officers have the ability to confiscate gear and to dish out susbstantial fines, etc.

There is one way you will hang on to access at the alley, Noosa river mouth, the pasage at Caloundra, etc it to form local kiter groups/clubs. Make sure you lobby the sport loving members of the local councils, the surf clubs etc, meet and greet as many other local beach user groups mas possible. Identify those that have a positive view of kiteboarding, and side with them to inform the Local Council that all the locally based kiters are members of AKSA or QKSA, etc and all carry public liability insurance, and all respect local rules.

Then you need to enforce sensible spot sharing rules. By enforce I mean approach anyone causing a problem, with a least a few locals as a group, and let them know that access is under threat from people doing what they are or were doing. Be forceful, reasonable and pleasant at all times, 99% of the time people will respond, if there is an incident caused by someone that was warned, it is unlikely any ban would ensue.
Communication is key to retaining access.

Currumbin is too good to lose!

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve McCormack





quote:
Originally posted by greenleader

unfortunately we still do not know the full facts on this matter,
perhaps no-one should get heated and for the time being we should all steer clear of the flat water inner section of currumbin.
obviously a big ask for the short sighted.
but once it's gone it's bluddy gone.
i'm sure all vmr and the general public want is for us to not take over the small inner beach and estuary and stay out in the outer break like every other high speed water user has been legislated to do.
water police told me two years ago that currumbin is a six knot zone for "vessels" and if the matter comes up, then legislation will be passed to enforce this to new unclassified watersports such as ours.
currently we are not a vessel but a watersports accessory(e.g. wakeboard, surfboard)
so before this goes to court, will every one heed this as a time to get some common sense and try to convince the powers that be that we are not a menace, but a responsible and legitimate part of the community.
e.g. grow up all of ya's
regards ian

Buzz
Buzz
NSW
319 posts
Buzz Buzz
NSW, 319 posts
3 Dec 2005 8:07pm
Maybe a good idea to stress the importance of Currumbin not only for local's but also Tourist's (domestic and many internationals) who come to the coast just for Kite-surfing... they love to promote tourism on the Goldie...
user
user
WA
1140 posts
user user
WA, 1140 posts
3 Dec 2005 5:41pm
quote:
Originally posted by Spacemonkey!

quote:
Originally posted by user

quote:
Originally posted by Spacemonkey!

Swimmers for some reason think it is cool to hang around kiteboarders and watch em. What they dont understand is tat they are doing the equivalent of racing spectactors of to standing in the middle of a track.


You are back to front boy !

What you are actually doing is the equivalent of driving a race car through a public park !

Wake up for crying out loud !!!

Knobs with an attitude like yours are what will get kiting banned !


i see what you mean but you don't understand the circumstances im talking about. When you go kiteboarding where no one ever usually swims people will rock u to check it out. If you chose to kite on a normally crowded beach area then deal with, you are right. If swimmers are just moving towards the kites then it is diferent. Hence me saying that swimmers like to hang around kiteboarders.

Some people think its their duty to swimwhere you are kiting to help retrieve your board. When you are kiting in a well recognised kiting spot where people would not normally swim then it is how i originally said it to be. I'm not telling swimmers to F@CK off just a bit of understanding and public education would go a long way, some people are idiots.

What do you have to say to that, btw my response didnt have much attitude did it??


Sorry. Your post did not really have attitude.

I admit it is annoying that beach users will put themselves in the zone sometimes. Swimmers,surfers,and my pet hate,beach fishermen !
Unfortunately though,we have to respect the publics right to be using a public beach in safety.
likuid
likuid
QLD
330 posts
likuid likuid
QLD, 330 posts
3 Dec 2005 8:01pm
HOLY MOLEY
maybe i'd say if your going to make a sign make it a bit simpler.. theres a lot of rules and stuff there.. its a good set of basic guidelines but
Leadinedge
Leadinedge
QLD
164 posts
Leadinedge Leadinedge
QLD, 164 posts
5 Dec 2005 1:33pm
So here we are now with the president of the AKSA after the VMR Meeting.
Local kiters attending: John Warren, Gene Phoenix
President AKSA: Beaver
The results of the meeting with the VMR are:
Concerns about safety of kitesurfing in all areas which will result in banning of the sport by QLD Transport enforced by the Water Police.
VMR believes we need to create an identity as a sub division of AKSA
ie: Kitesurf Community Association (KCA)to represent the community in regards to any concerns by authorities.
VMR has started the process to change the current legislation in regards to kitesurfing within QLD. This means there is the chance it could affect every kitesurf location in the state.
We believe in order to attend to these concern we have to:
Arrange for AKSA to have 2 head representatives from the Kitesurf Community Association. It would be of benefit if these members had experience in dealing with local water authorities.
The current Association includes:
Gene Phoenix, John Warren, Matt Tobin, Paul Jackson, Daniel Bevan (Beaver)
This association is holding a meeting to discuss this and other issues further. Details are as follows:
Date: Wed 21 Dec 2005
Time: 7pm
Place: Nobby's Surf Club - Nobby Beach
Please call Gene - 0403 130 130 for further information.

Everyone is welcome. Please attend so we can listen to your opinion and work together to save our right to kite.

Also a big THANK YOU to everyone who was able to attend todays meeting.



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