cant wait til rhinoman sees this one, dont waste your doe on a havoc, ride them back to back and you will see why

Two kites aimed at totally different riders and styles, you might need to think more about what you wan't your kite for before looking for comparisons.

WOK said...

terryzarmzof said...

cant wait til rhinoman sees this one, dont waste your doe on a havoc, ride them back to back and you will see why

Yeah you should ride them back to back along with all the other rebel riders and see why it is pointless riding a kite with 5 lines these days

And they claim it to be a great wave kite, roll it in good surf and see what the pointless 5th line does.

tool

didnt read the bit about him wanting a surf kite WOK. pointless comment

Last years rebel is a good kite with nothing wrong with it...but it could have some more speed and zing to it, the 9m I flew felt spongy and empty for its size. ...didnt fly the havoc. I have rolled the rebel before with 5 lines it comes up straight allot of the time...I think because its 3 lines split further up towards the kite. I ride 4 lines atm, and the safety isnt as good as the 5th line. The north bar and safety is one of the best I have used.
I have seen the havoc being used it looks better for surfing than it ever has, but if you want a surf kite out of those two then the Rebel...This years could be interesting try the evo also.
Best surf kite of 2010(that i flew) was the 6m Airush Lithium.

The Rebel will however have a bigger wind range and 5th line safety is still more reliable when it all goes south on a nasty day.
If you like the Rebel but still want 4 line then go the Fuse.

winter said...

just after a objective comparison of these two kites any feedback would be greatly appreciated
cheers
pete

I say it to everyone try before you buy! If you cant get a demo kite find a rider whos happy to let you test out theirs!

The 2011 Havoc isnt really a Havoc at all.. It actually turns smoothly and quite quick. it feels alot more responsive and faster than any Havoc i have ever ridden. Aswell as the kite flying well when its fully sheeted in like all havocs do... It also flys well sheeted out. still turns fast, and the feeling through the bar remains responsive. Id rate it slightly better in turning speed and all around responsiveness and feeling through the bar than the 2009 Envy.

Any time you get two retailers involved in a discussion on products it's going to go nowhere.

The short and sweet is they are both very good kites, they both have very good range and I doubt one is going to have a noticeably bigger range than the other. One may have more bottom end and the other will probably have more top end.

The only solution is to test them yourself. I've tried both kites, but only in the 2010 models and I would have been equally happy with both. They are both damn nice kites. The people I know with Rebels are happy and the people I know with Havocs are also happy. That says you'll probably be happy with whatever you buy.

...and on a separate note, I have seen a kite ripped in two by the 5th line so it does happen, but I've only ever seen it once so the likelihood of it affecting you is pretty low.

Hi I have had 2008 Rebels and 2010 Rebels 9m and 7m. I have not had any 5th line cut the kite in two.But I have had 2010 9m floating strut ripped off twise now by the 5th line. Both times in the surf with the kite down in the surf.