relaunching the rebel

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dachopper
dachopper
WA
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12 Nov 2006 12:17pm
does any1 have any tips on how to relaunch the rebel 9/7 metres..... I tried to helpsome1 else out getting theirs back in the airbut couldn't get it up at all with any consistency
Spacemonkey!
Spacemonkey!
SA
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12 Nov 2006 2:55pm
What bit were you guys struggling with.

I'm just learning to reluanch my new SLE, theres a couple of tricks. The bit I have most trouble with is when its on its back is catching wind in the wing tips to take it to the side of the window. If have found if you grab a side leader line and grab it and yank it intermittently until you catch the wind this works pretty well. The other trouble I had was when it was lying in the side of the window that it was leant over too far on one side. What I mean is the kite is sitting there and the upper wing tip is way in front of the one on on the water and it won't reluanch from this position.

What I have found for this was to yank the steering leader line of the wing tp in the water a bit, this will draw this wing tip forward and the upper one back wards. From here it should be ready to relaunch easy as pie.

Thats what I have found with my SLE but not sure of the exact trouble your having with the rebel.
dachopper
dachopper
WA
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12 Nov 2006 2:50pm
well when it's lying on its back directly downwind of you in the water, the front lines are slack and the steering lines are tight,

you pull one of the steering lines and instead of cathing the wind in it, the entire kite just rotates abit. the kite tips don't flex to grab the wind, the whole kite just turns, so the kite actually floats a little to the opposite side of the window (opposite to the back line your pulling).but it doesn't float very far to the opposite side, its still basically stuck there upside down... when it eventually relaunched it was more luck than technique , following it luffing straight off the water with many many yanks of either steering line randomly to try and get it to somehow " swing" into the air.

*edited*
I just had a look throught the review post... so what I was doing was pretty much what you do, assuming your safety leash is hooked onto the 5th line.. couple more questions.... how much of the back line in the smaller kite sizes do you need to pull in ie is the second knot enough.... and then when it gets out near the edge of the window do you hold that in until it gets airborne or do you release it at some stage and grab the other side to get it out of the water, cheers
Spacemonkey!
Spacemonkey!
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12 Nov 2006 7:00pm
Yeah It can be tricky to catch wind in the tips, I just grab as much as I dare to grab and make sure that it doesnt get wrapped around anything. Also if your a place where you can touch the bottom running or swimming towards one side of the window whilst your tugging normally helps catch that bit of extra air. Once you got it on its side and it has drifted to the side of the window I normally grab the steering leader line of the wing tip on the water to get it fully onto it's side, pull it in until it looks ready to relaunch. THen I release and steer it up, sometimes grabbing the leader line of the skward steering leaderline instead of just steering up may elp you get it up a bit quicker and easier.

I hope that helps...
poor relative
poor relative
WA
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12 Nov 2006 4:37pm
Ok what i have found.

When its on its back it is one big huge fat pain in the arse to get up, especially if the 5th is limp. In that case all i can suggest is swim on in.

If the fifth is tight tho its possible to do. Grab that cleat thingo and pull towards you. Keep tension on it the whole time. Then grab a back line, pull it in until it starts heading to the edge.

As the kite twists around release some pressure on the cleat and if all is well up she goes.

I have found this method works sort of 70% of the time. Sometimes you just gotta pull push and hope for the best.
Alternativly dont drop it on its back, sle/hybrid/bows especially the rebel just aint into being throw on their back.
Spacemonkey!
Spacemonkey!
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12 Nov 2006 7:20pm
You shouldn't have to swim it in Relo, its possible. I have found that the best method is to avoid it going on its back aswell, my kite doesnt have a 5th line though. If it lands leading edge down I think you can relaunch it sometimes by just cranking in a steering line on my kite. Alternatively you can swim at the kite once leading edge whilst pulling a side line but be careful not to swim so far that it rolls completely on its back. This way it will go from leading edge down to on its side no problems if you do it right.

Also some places are just ****s to launch kites anyway, take woodies offshore for example, crazy wind on the water, even C's have difficulty.
poor relative
poor relative
WA
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12 Nov 2006 5:21pm
Yeah space boy maybe your right, i was on a bridled kite last year and could relaunch it just about whatever position it was in, unless of course it was a crumpled bow tied mess.
The rebel is a different story tho, back down probably 30% of the time your swimmin.
Spacemonkey!
Spacemonkey!
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12 Nov 2006 8:02pm
I havent seen Dan swim in yet and he drops it every second run. You sure its not a tuning issue? He had a little trouble with it at first but has always got it up. He also thinks the depower is good enough just to run suicide on it though so he doesnt use 5th on it all the time which might be why.
poor relative
poor relative
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12 Nov 2006 5:35pm
are you on messanger
poor.relative @ hotmail.com
kitergirl
kitergirl
QLD
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12 Nov 2006 8:20pm
i saw a rebel relaunch vid on northkites.com on how to relaunch a rebel make take some time to learn but its all worth it
qfmike737
qfmike737
QLD
398 posts
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13 Nov 2006 7:06am
This probably sounds really technical and confusing but the Rebel is very easy to water relaunch when you know the unorthodox and rebellious technique! I've never had mine invert before.

push the bar out

try not to let it flip onto its back like C-kites - try to keep the kite on its leading edge.

if the kite is dead downwind of you on its leading edge (not on its back) pick a side for it to launch and grab one of the back lines and slowly pull it towards you. if you do it too fast it flips over and tries to go up like a hot launch downwind of you. - its just TOO easy to water relaunch.

if the kite is on its leading edge and not on its back in the water BUT to one side (not directly downwind) grab one of the back lines slowly and help it go to the best side for water relaunch. KEEP THE BAR OUT AND PUSHED FORWARD. When it sails to the edget then take the bar. This is the safest way of water relaunching.

If the kite does flip on its back grab a bit of the 5th line hold it and launch it like a C-kite by using a little bit of back line.

From my experience ALL kites SUCK when it comes to Water relaunching in really REALLy light winds they will ALL do dumb things. So if you are still a beginner and struggling in light winds keep this in mind. In stronger winds it's easier.


This has been asked before and im constantly getting asked about this:

Water relaunching the Rebel

It water relaunches VERY easy in fact way too easy sometimes! It's easy when you know the right technique!

I found keeping the kite directly downwind of you with leading edge down on the water...DONT bother trying to flip it on its back like C-kites. Just push that bar out and pull on one of the back lines and you can even hot launch it. If it falls to one side of the window when it hits the water you can pull the bar in and steer it up into the air.

If its on its back just use your 5th line and launch it like a C-kite. There are so many options.
em
em
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em em
318 posts
13 Nov 2006 5:36am
holy molly! so much writting to relaunch a rebel?????
Helloooo???
First, video available on north website.
Second, grab one back line and hold on it, your rebel will flip on its side like a bow and be back up in the air in 10 seconds.
Done.
Thats all you need to do.
NEVER try to relaunch it with the fifth line, it's not made for it....
Missy
Missy
WA
123 posts
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13 Nov 2006 6:03am
Wish it was as easy and quick as you all make it out to be. It always lands fully on its back for me, not much I can do to stop it while I'm head first in the drink! Might try using it as a suicide.

Also, does anyone have trouble reaching the depower/power?? Anyway I can bring it closer to me so I can use it will riding and not have to stop?????
cwamit
cwamit
WA
1194 posts
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13 Nov 2006 6:31am
quote:
Originally posted by em

First, video available on north website.


It is down atm though..

quote:
Originally posted by em

Second, grab one back line and hold on it, your rebel will flip on its side like a bow and be back up in the air in 10 seconds.




isn’t that - you grab the backline on the same side as the wingtip side that is pointing closest to the edge of the wind window (to avoid a hot launch) and then pull in UPTO (the operative being UPTO) 2 meters of line being careful of course not to get tangled - the wind will grab it, the kite almost spins the up it goes.... pardon my ignorance on the rebel relaunch as I don’t fly one, but if its like a bow that's what most people do. I can’t believe anyone has to swim because they can’t do a relaunch due to unknown technique... bloody hell!!..I am thinking of getting one of theses babies next but if relaunch problems exist like so far has been mentioned resulting in a swim because it requires a complex technical relaunch then I think I might stick with a bridled kite…
dachopper
dachopper
WA
1802 posts
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13 Nov 2006 6:43am
... a few people post without reading the full text...
im being specific about the kite landing on it's back, ie, you pull a side line when it's in the water and on it's back ( upside down canopy in the water ) and nothing happens, thanks for the info I'll have to do more trying... sound like a suicide will be the solution, is dan on the rebels or the vegas?
peanuticus
peanuticus
NSW
341 posts
NSW, 341 posts
14 Nov 2006 11:03am
rebel has same relauch tendancies as link, pull lots of steering line to rotate kite and yes sometimes they sit and do not fly to edge of window, to give it a helping hand grab all front lines when its sat on its tip (yes all of them from chicken loop rope) and give it a good tug, you should see kite shoot forward when you do this. a bit more steering line should pump it up out the water.

that is from LE down in the water with kite powered up. EASY...
qfmike737
qfmike737
QLD
398 posts
QLD, 398 posts
14 Nov 2006 10:09am
Hmmm never ever had trouble with the Rebel launching unless it was in really light wind ...wind that doesn't even get you moving and you shouldn't be using it! I found all kites do wierd things during these conditions. I've had the 5th line wrap around it once...wasn't a drama.

Spacemonkey!
Spacemonkey!
SA
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14 Nov 2006 11:27am
Dan has Vegas' now stole his yesterday, smart kid decided to go kiteboarding and take no board, was pretty nice I guess. I think I seen him on a Rebel once or twice, I reckon suicide is the go personally especially with the depower it wuold give you anyway.
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