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Lukeroo
Lukeroo
WA
45 posts
WA, 45 posts
7 Sep 2005 9:47pm
ok, ill admit it. I havent kited yet.

but.... before you start, ive got 3 lessons booked for octoberish.

anyway,im as keen as the.... proverbial thing that is really keen, so im doin some early research.

Havent really looked at boards yet, but am getting a lot of info and different opinions on kites.

Im 168cm, approx 63 kilos (im not a skinny ass..... just lite) 18 yrs old, and really need advice on a kite for perth conditions.

I dunno where ill predominantly kite, but was thinkin, (as everone does i suppose) of a naish boxer, maybe 10 or 12m. Are boxers as good as all the marketing suggests, or is it just a case of "brand snobbery". Another option is a cabrinha crossbow..... Any thoughts???

Ive also wasted a crapload of pertrol trying to find some ppl out on the water somewhere, to see them in action, but to no avail... Where are u ppl????

Anyway, Cheers dudes, and watch out for me this season....... your gonna need to
gruezi
gruezi
WA
3464 posts
WA, 3464 posts
7 Sep 2005 10:58pm
It ain't the gear, its the "attitude," and yours seems perfect.

All recent kites are good kites, especially the two you mention, I have them both...so that makes me biased.

Best thing to do at the moment is get a hold of a 3m foil and fly it as much as possible. You can even take it to the beach and try with a surf board.

We are in the deepest Winter at the moment. 10 knot ranges in the 20's and 30's are not ideal learning conditions...and there are very few people out. And those few out are too desperate to try and get a fly, that they may not have time for you. You will find the fully addicted at Woodies as it is fairly safe in Winter.

Good luck and be safe.
poor relative
poor relative
WA
9106 posts
WA, 9106 posts
8 Sep 2005 6:35am
check the second hand section, some real bargins.
Gruiezi is right the addicted head to woodies.....
Uber
Uber
NSW
482 posts
NSW, 482 posts
8 Sep 2005 8:54am
Good Learner Kites:

Slingshot Diesel
Naish Boxer
Cabrinah C02
Airush Flow
Gaastra Force
Best Yarga
North Vegas
(sorry if I have forgotton any)
Get yourself a second hand kite cos your gonna bash the hell outta it when you learn. Just make sure you get a qualified trainer to check all your safety systems and the general condition before you go out.

63kg you would probably go smaller kite 8mt-10mt in WA the winds are pretty strong over there. I learnt on a 10mt SS Fuel and Im 80kg did heaps of body dragging with it. Now my 14mt is my main kite. Get a big floaty board too.

I hope this helps. Ask more locals what is the best beach to learn on and talk about equipment with them too. Have fun and always kite safe
anton
anton
202 posts
202 posts
8 Sep 2005 7:35am
quote:
Originally posted by poor relative

check the second hand section, some real bargins.
Gruiezi is right the addicted head to woodies.....



Regardless if there is a wind meter or not!
brooksy
brooksy
WA
498 posts
WA, 498 posts
8 Sep 2005 7:48am
Yeh, I'd probably go a bit smaller for learning. I'm 80kg and learnt on a 9m SS Diesel. Great kite! It did me for nearly every sea breeze last season. It's my most used kite! I've also got a 13 which is getting more use in winter, but at your weight a 9m should hold heaps of power.
Go second hand for the summer, and then find your ultimate kite or quiver late in the season, when you have started to rock!
kiterdan
kiterdan
WA
680 posts
WA, 680 posts
8 Sep 2005 8:26am
luke,
im the same height and weight as you. i learnt on a 10m, and currently own an 11m and 7 which covers me from 13-14 to 25-30. You may be able to get superceeded stock for a cheap price if you look around. You dont need a huge board...I ride a 122 FLX mainly and a surfboard for waves.
good attitude to have with the lessons...good work.
Have fun
elizabethb
elizabethb
QLD
2081 posts
QLD, 2081 posts
8 Sep 2005 7:12pm
Luke - We're pretty similar in size also - I'm 52kgs and 5" 7.5' (which I think is 171cm), and I'm a youngin also - I ride a 10m Cabrinha Element, so if I were you I would go for the 12m, because apart from you are that bit heavier, you would be more strong, and you're a guy. I'd agree with Uber about all the kites he suggested and I'd include the North Rhino in with that and the Caution Spitfire II is great to ride also - Have a gr8 time out there mate, and all the best with lessons!

Wello point in Brisbane is where I go -
howley
howley
WA
316 posts
WA, 316 posts
9 Sep 2005 11:19am
hook in elizabethb!
Kitehard
Kitehard
WA
2782 posts
WA, 2782 posts
9 Sep 2005 1:32pm
Hey Luckeroo,

Good to see someone with some smarts entering the sport, lessons are a must. Uber is on the money with the kite types. I would suggest you look around for a 9 or 10m with your weight it will be more than enough for you. You could even go as small as an eight which will allow you to get a 12m as your "big" kite later when you are happening.

Perth winds of summer are usually 20knots and range up to about 25knots regularly. I ride a 9m Airush Reactor on a 6'2" Surfboard or a 145 Sidewinder mutant. I pretty much change the line lengths for winds stronger or lighter ie 30m for 8-18 knots and 20m for 18-30 knots. I also have a 12m Reactor on 30m lines, but rarely use it (mainly for Freestyle comps on a twin tip).

I weigh 92 kilos and have been kiting forever so a little bit of experience helps here but I guarantee you'll be right on a 9 or 10, especially on a twinny. When you do go looking for a board, a 127 to 135 should be ideal for a guy your weight. "Try before you buy!" I'll repeat that "Try BEFORE you buy!"

If there is any other help I can offer you, just holler.

Best Winds,

Darren Marshall
Australian Kiteboarding School
IKO Examiner

elizabethb
elizabethb
QLD
2081 posts
QLD, 2081 posts
9 Sep 2005 7:38pm
Howley - I am hooked in mate! I don't go unhooked yet (If that's what you were inferring) - 23 knots gusting 27 knots the other day on an 8m, and I couldn't even walk upwind to the water because I was being lofted downwind and I walked - lol - aka, I didn't end up getting out unfortunately...

Darren - My lines are 27m on my 10m kite which I can take out comfortably in 11 to 18 knots, so as you wrote before, can I get another handlebar that is about 20m's or just under, and use my kite more easily in about 17-24 knots? Many Thanks Darren...
bondo
bondo
QLD
699 posts
QLD, 699 posts
9 Sep 2005 7:46pm
shorter lines wont decrease the power - it just moves faster through the power zone so you can depower it easier - but some people say it makes the power a bit jerkier. i use 25's on my caution and best, and i like the more responsive feeling you get especially on the 18.. but i reckon you're better off with a smaller kite personally... a good bar (like the slingys, which are probably best on the market) can cost almost as much as a bargain best or liquid force that you might find on the used pages here
elizabethb
elizabethb
QLD
2081 posts
QLD, 2081 posts
9 Sep 2005 8:01pm
Thanks heaps Mark - I certainly don't need a jerky kite too add to it lol, so I think I'll either consider going for a smaller kite, 6, 7 or 8m kite, or getting a second hand bar or even a second hand kite (seeing I will need a small kite pretty soon especailly when it's 18+ NE) ... Cheers - Much appreciated
paulio
paulio
QLD
890 posts
QLD, 890 posts
9 Sep 2005 9:22pm
Bondo it think you may have opened a can of worms on the short line thing, it does work and have done it, dunno why!!!!

Instead of goin to a smaller kite i just have a few beers and sum kfc Works 4 me

captainkaos
captainkaos
WA
247 posts
WA, 247 posts
9 Sep 2005 9:52pm
Lukeroo.good to see your keen as.I'm 68 kilos and my most used kite in summer is 10m(130cm board). Days over 22knts(quite common in perth summer)i get overpowered and would pull out the 8m.I rekon you could probably get away with an 10,but would probably need something smaller if you wanna get out as much as possible in summer.Many would argue,but i rekon learning on a large board with heaps of volume will denately speed up the learning curve especially if you havn't had any previous board skills.

Have fun,and if you buy a second hand kite,make sure to understand the system,and quick release system before flying.

Kitehard
Kitehard
WA
2782 posts
WA, 2782 posts
9 Sep 2005 11:11pm
Hey Elizabeth,

The short lines does work by giving you probably another 4-5 knots top end (but you lose it on the bottom end. The way it works is this:-

1. Have you ever noticed how much your back lines loop downwind when you slack the rear lines by allowing the bar to full detent against the stop? This is due to drag of the line itself being in the wind held perpendicular to the wind direction. If you remove 10m per line from the kite end of the lines or bring the kite closer to you, then you effectively remove 40m of total line length dragging the kite downwind. What happens when you drag your kite further downwind? It sits deeper in the power window which gives not only more power, but more power from further back in the wind window aka fighting against your upwind efforts.

2. The shorter lines create a smaller wind window which reduces the amount of arc the kite flies through from one side of the window to the other. So working on angles if the kite sits 10 degrees further back in the window when you are traveling fast, and as you apply brakes or resistance to slow the board thus forcing the kite to the neutral at the edge of the window, with 30m lines, it might be say 6 metres from in the power when riding forward to neutral. On 20 metre lines it is only 4 metres, and as the kite is more responsive due to less line flying through the air, you are much more easily able to edge the kite to the neutral as it travels the distance 33% faster and has 33% less distance to travel, it can be more than twice as easy to accomplish control. Think about it!

3. It allows you to ride upwind more easily as the kite, on it's own, sits higher in the wind window which means it is pulling you from an angle closer to the relative wind. The kite is also more responsive and "crisp" to steering because you have 33% less stretch effect over the 20m lines. As your lines are short so shall your wind window be which means it is incredibly fast to get the kite from one side of the wind window to the other. (great for wave riding down the line).

4. Kite loops are unbelievably fun, it is easy to get above your kite and get a solid whip. All good reasons why 20m lines rock!



Now the downside:-

1. It makes the kite much more lively in its reaction to gusts which can create a real jerky "on and off" feel to the kite when encountering gusty conditions, especially really high A/R kites.

2. Jump timing, height of jumps and lofting time go out the window. It can be done, but it aint as easy as 30m lines which give a large margin for error in timing.

3. Kiteloops are much more scary and when they go wrong they can rally go wrong (prepare for a beatin')

4. It takes time to get used to the feel of shorter lines and the kite will catch you off guard repeatedly until you catch up to it as it will be where it should be much quicker.

All in all, it is another part of kiting that you should explore to see if you like it. It can be cheaper than another smaller kite if you are prepared for the trade offs (personally the trade offs suit my riding style). I use my 9 Reactor with two bars (20m and 30 m)and two boards (6'2" with straps Converse Surfboard and a 145 Mutant for when its cranking) and and it has a wind range of 10 knots to around 30 knots.

Try for yourself and see!

Good winds to all and thanks for reading this long post if you took the time
elizabethb
elizabethb
QLD
2081 posts
QLD, 2081 posts
10 Sep 2005 8:52am
Thanks Darren - Certainly a lot of things to consider when deciding to change to line length or not. For the $250+ I would spend on a new bar and lines, I think I might put the money towards getting a smaller kite which might come with shorter lines?! Cheers for all your help guys

Elizabeth - Wello
bondo
bondo
QLD
699 posts
QLD, 699 posts
10 Sep 2005 9:39am
quote:
Originally posted by paulio

Bondo it think you may have opened a can of worms on the short line thing, it does work and have done it, dunno why!!!!

Instead of goin to a smaller kite i just have a few beers and sum kfc Works 4 me





i hear pies and sausage rolls work real well for kiting also, just look what they've done for shane warne and he's a professional athlete

anyway, i know it works, the only point i was trying to make is if your getting lofted on the beach on 27m lines you'll still get lofted on 20m lines with the same kite, which aint fun for a beginner...
CeeJay
CeeJay
WA
17 posts
WA, 17 posts
10 Sep 2005 3:10pm
Im 17 and started about march and am the same size and weight as you, (but I am skinny). All i have is an 8 and a 6 metre spectrum. Everyone said I wouldnt be able to learn on it because their to fast and high aspect, but now i know no better. As for the siv\ze, I can just about always get out now on the 8 and thats riding a 120. Id suggest an 8 or 10 metre.
galajoh
galajoh
WA
40 posts
WA, 40 posts
14 Sep 2005 11:53am
G'day guys

Just browsin through and started gettin worried that the kite i have just bought may be too big.

I got a 12m Co2 from a mate. I'm 65-70 kg's (been a while since i weighted myself) and i'm gonna be fine in the light winds but i rekon the stronger winds i will need something smaller. I am guessing an 8m would be suitable for a strong wind kite...?

And **** is the month going slowly, like the Greenday song goes..."Wake me up when September ends" I have lessons booked for October....not long now...AHHH!

Cheers all, happy kitin'
Gala.
tWp
tWp
VIC
53 posts
tWp tWp
VIC, 53 posts
14 Sep 2005 2:18pm
quote:
Originally posted by galajoh
"Wake me up when September ends" I have lessons booked for October....not long now...AHHH!



I know that feeling. I've got lessons booked for next weekend (24th) and it can't come soon enough.
(I decided not to go and buy a kite until after at least one lesson... although i have been tempted)
14 Sep 2005 12:56pm
nice kn mate galah!
not on board
not on board
210 posts
210 posts
14 Sep 2005 2:00pm
Hey GALA
If youre flyin in the Sydney area then the 12 will be just fine.
Last year was a light wind year and most winds were 15 - 20. Year before was a bit stronger and a lot more days of NE but over 25 was rare.
Check out http://www.windfinder.com/windstats/windstatistic_sydney.htm
to see where the winds were at.
Then check Geraldton to see the diffence
snowman
snowman
VIC
275 posts
VIC, 275 posts
14 Sep 2005 4:10pm
Hi Lukeroo

I am a little lighter than you 55kg but the same height but I mostly use my c02 8m I find it is good for me for most wind I want to go out in 14-23 ish.

I also have a 12m C02 which I do use sometimes when it is really light but I find it a bit much most of the time especially when it is gusty. And as I still have to walk up the beach I dont want to be struggling with control of the kite and being pulled.

If I was you I would probably go for a 10m as at 18 you are only going to get heavier or a 8m with the thought of getting a 12m later.
galajoh
galajoh
WA
40 posts
WA, 40 posts
15 Sep 2005 12:49pm
Cheers all, appreciate it, i rekon i'll be rite, just have to wait and see...not easy!!
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