sore elbows=bigger kite?

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fingers
fingers
WA
74 posts
WA, 74 posts
31 Mar 2004 4:46pm
with a couple of lighter days over the last few weeks & using a bigger kite than normal(15.5 mid a.r.)I've been getting chronic tendonitis in my right elbow/forearm.Is this normal to get a much greater load on the bar?Any insights would be appreciated.
p.s.my usual weapon of choice is a 12 high a.r.
cheers Andrew
Shannon
Shannon
WA
489 posts
WA, 489 posts
31 Mar 2004 4:52pm
I had the same thing going from medium AR to High AR. Also just working it in light conditions. A wider bar grip will help as will some sort of Powerlock bar system such as the Cabrinha one.. You could even try shortening your chicken loop so your arms are never quite fully stretched out.

Shannon

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fingers
fingers
WA
74 posts
WA, 74 posts
31 Mar 2004 6:20pm
Cheers Shannon,I've noticed if I'm not powered up & have to work the kite alot the pain is much more enhanced after the session.I was more curious if it was just from going to a bigger size kite,as thats when the discomfort changed to actual pain.Got a physio appt. tomorrow so I should be able to get the guts on whats goin on.
jambo
jambo
WA
8 posts
WA, 8 posts
31 Mar 2004 6:46pm
I've had the Tendonitis thing from too much Windsurfing and no other excercise. That disappeared with a winter off and different excercise (weights etc)
But now I've had a muscular pain from Kiting and Windsurfing, near the tendon, but after doing weights (barbell) its completely gone.
It seems to be that Windsurfing and kiting locks your arms out too much, and the full motion using weights helps alot and you get stronger too.
I agree that the chicken loop length is very important too.
fingers
fingers
WA
74 posts
WA, 74 posts
31 Mar 2004 6:54pm
what weight exercises did you do Jambo?arm curls? bench press?
cheers
jan
jan
WA
1119 posts
jan jan
WA, 1119 posts
31 Mar 2004 8:14pm
you can get tendonitis from a chicken loop that is far too long. (and theres lots of ppl i see all the time with a chicken loop twice the length it needs or should be).

your arms are weakest fully extended. the smaller muscles are taking a high load when you pull from full extension (or over extension!)

make sure your riding with the bar out in a comfortable position... your arms should be slightly bent (so your bicep pulls the bar)

you should also be stretching your arms WELL and warming up WELL before you get on the water AND after you get off the water

any strengthening excersizes are going to help too

i had chronic probs until i reduced my chicken loop length... I only use about 6 inches on *any* kite (and its all i ever need too)
Jess
Jess
WA
206 posts
WA, 206 posts
31 Mar 2004 9:09pm
Hello Fingers,

The issue of sore elbows was covered really well a few months ago, check out the thread titled 'Sore Elbows' initiated by Captain Goodvibes on 19.12.03. Many useful responses to explain it, clear it up, and prevent it reoccuring. Most mid AR kites are heavier on bar pressure than high AR kites, hence more effort required in steering them. Shortening my chicken loop made a huge difference.

laurie
laurie
QLD
3902 posts
QLD, 3902 posts
31 Mar 2004 11:23pm
Check out this thread : www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=853 .. same topic - some good answers...

Don't forget there is a "Search" link up the top ^^^
Keysey
Keysey
WA
109 posts
WA, 109 posts
31 Mar 2004 9:53pm
Last time this topic was discussed on this forum i tried several of the suggestions.
This may sound dodgy but the one that worked for me is 2 Nurofin before you go out and then 2 more when you get home. Not only is there no pain but the next day you wake up and still no pain. Nurofin are also anti inflamatories, and i think this is what actually saves you from the pain.
PS taking the Nurofin with a beer seems to work even better, funny that.
Allan
jan
jan
WA
1119 posts
jan jan
WA, 1119 posts
31 Mar 2004 11:05pm
just remember nuerofen is just hiding the symptoms.

having said that ive done exactly that, two neurofen before kiting is pretty good at stopping that type of pain.

pretty sure you can f**k ur liver up taking that sorta stuff regularly
bbl
bbl
WA
3 posts
bbl bbl
WA, 3 posts
31 Mar 2004 11:09pm
hi fingers
try a flysurfer , it is the better kite ,- becouse you will stay healthy.....


bbl
jan
jan
WA
1119 posts
jan jan
WA, 1119 posts
31 Mar 2004 11:11pm
dont blame the tools
LouD
LouD
WA
642 posts
WA, 642 posts
1 Apr 2004 6:56am
Anti Inflammatories like Nurofen will help, but will generally only give temporary relief and in the dosages you guys are suggesting,especially if kiting everyday, are likely to affect your stomache. Keep in mind that Nurofen is a powerful medication, despite the fact that it is sold over the counter.

As Jess mentioned,this topic has been covered previously quite extensively.
Two treatment options not discussed for chronic tennis elbow was Botox injections and shock wave therapy.

If elbow pains perist and not improving-see your doctor!
Captain Goodvibes
Captain Goodvibes
WA
92 posts
WA, 92 posts
1 Apr 2004 8:31am
Fingers I am hearing you it is a real pain in the well errrr arm!!!
I have had alot of trouble with elbow and upper arm pain this season.

Dont loose hope though it can be controlled.

I had refered pain from some neck/nerve problem (Dont ask me the tech I dont know)But the pain was along my entire arm with a bit of tennis elbow thrown in for good measure.
Symptoms
Very Sore elbow
very sore BI/Triceps continual stabbing sharp pains
And the worst morning elbow pain (this was the worst - I would wake up in agony from this one)
Pain after kiting

I went to a physio and I am not joking I was screaming during the first consultation - it was brutal but my neck, back, and bad arm/shoulder was a knotted mess. Miracle the next morning NO Pain. I have been given spinal stretching exercises and they are a god send in my case they are working but many cases are different

For the tennis elbow
ask your physio about the rolled up towell exercise If he dosn,t know it post a request and I will write it up for you - no time now...

You really have to experience this to understand how disheartening and painfull this condition is remember the stretch after the session is vital.
CAUTION
CAUTION
WA
1097 posts
WA, 1097 posts
1 Apr 2004 9:21am
FOR LIGHTER DAYS MAKE A PULLEY BAR.
IT IS LIKE PUTTING POWER STEERING ON A TANK.
SPEEDS UP THE KITE BIG TIME.
I CAN MOVE MY KITE AROUND WITH ONE HAND OFF THE BAR AT ALL TIMES AND MY PULLEY BAR IS ONLY 15 INCHES LONG.
I CAN GO OUT FOR 2 HOURS OR SO IN LIGHT WINDS AND CONSTANTLY MOVE THE KITE AND NOT GET TIRED.
THEY ROCK.
LOU WAS ONTO IT A LONG TIME AGO...

ALL THESE PROBLEMS I SEE ARE MAINLY DUE TO CHICKEN LOOPS. I THINK IT WAAS A BIG MISTAKE SENDING THEM TO PRODUCTION. IF THEY WERENT THERE WOULD BE LESS ACCIDENTS AND ALSO LESS HANDIE CRAMPS FOR U LADIES.
bermand
bermand
WA
247 posts
WA, 247 posts
1 Apr 2004 6:39pm
The pressureless bar on the flysurfer warrior and maniac eliminates this problem, unfortunately the new flysurfer's with the WAC system have moved away from this system. I don't quite understand why the pressureless bar system can't be applied to LEI kites. 90% of tennis elbow resolves within 6 months, unfortunately there is no miracle cure and if you are in the other 10 % you may have the problem for up to 2 years. A windsurfing mate was out for 18 months after pumping to get going in the Ledge to Lancelin event. He had physio, multiple cortisone injections and was anal about doing his exercises. Ultimately it burnt itself out. My advice is avoid the problem at all cost, maybe the pulley bar is the way to go, however what about heavier days? maybe get a 5 metre flysurfer maniac
fingers
fingers
WA
74 posts
WA, 74 posts
1 Apr 2004 8:48pm
thanks to everyone for your input.I did'nt get to read most of the replies until after my physio appt.So I could'nt ask about the rolled up towell exercise Goodvibes but I'll give anything a go.It is true about the flysurfer warrior as I flew 1 for 2 yrs with no drama,for other reasons I'm on the tube kites now.
The physio gave me 2 stretches;
1) for the inside of the elbow;arm out straight palm up,pull hand back with the fingers toward the floor stretching the inside of wrist(if stretching r.hand try twisting hand from 6 o'clock to 7 or 8 to increase stretch)
2) for the outside of the elbow;arm out straight palm down,pull hand down by the knuckles toward the floor stretching outside of wrist(if stretching r.hand twist hand from 6 to 4 or 3 o'clock.

Hope this might help someone out,or totally confuse them.
Cheers
p.s.use voltaren gel to affected area & massage to warm the muscles before stretching,try to exercise 3 or 4 times daily.
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