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Plummet
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14 Nov 2011 5:56am
whats your style? straped or strapless for riding the waves on a surf board.

If you ride both. When do you ride the straps? when do you ride strapless?
stamp
stamp
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14 Nov 2011 8:11am
not again...
surfingboye
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14 Nov 2011 9:17am
...red thumbs.
[}:)]
Surfy31
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14 Nov 2011 6:37am
Big deal..
Plummet
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14 Nov 2011 7:29am
i've done a search buit can't find any dedicated topics. obviously my searching is poo. link me some threads to read.

I'm more interested in blokes riding both strapped and strapless to see what conditions they prefer each style.
SammyJ
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14 Nov 2011 7:56am
Plummet I enjoy both, as much as you have been red thumbed it is a good question. To get the most out of any session you need both options available to you. I ride strapped if it's blowing 25+ knots or it looks real choppy on the faces. It seem like a waste to me to go out strapless in those conditions, you just can't smash it controled the same as when you have straps. Strapless for me is awesome for Down winders, lighter winds to 25+ or quality waves with straight cross shore. Strapless enables you to freely move your feet around and trim the board better in lighter winds and while riding the wave, it's definately a closer feeling to surfing. Also if you are lucky enough to be in waves that allow you to get barrelled, being strapless is much better to avoid ankle and knee injuries if you wipeout.

My observations are that kiters that come from prone surfing background find strapless easier to pick up, kiters that come from wakeboard background just can't get their head around it and stick to straps/training wheels no matter what the conditions.

My 2c
WillyO
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14 Nov 2011 10:23am
wow..... why would you bother asking. Yawn
Plummet
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14 Nov 2011 8:44am
Thanks Sammy. i'm thinking along the same lines as you.

The reason i ask is because i've just started learning to kitesurf with surfboards. So i'm trying strapped and strapless.

i'm of a good standard on the twin tip and come from a lanboarding back ground. So straps are the usual for me. But i'm in the land of glorious waves so i need to be slashing them on a surfboard

my thought process is to keep my 3 fin thuster straped surfboard fro crazier days and a bigger volume wider strapless surfboard for the lighter days.
JBFletch
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14 Nov 2011 10:47am
Despite the "nego" replies, you are obviously after some useful help.

I find strapless better, as you can adjust your stance depending whether going up wind, riding over powered or for backhand waveriding.

Often fin selection can help alot and make a big difference to how your board rides in different conditions too.

If your new to the waves, try straps to get used to it. Then maybe ride flat water strapless to get a feel for the board.

Good luck.
BennyB12
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14 Nov 2011 10:59am
Straps are for kooks!!!! Bwahahahahahahahaha!!!! Sir Rowdy where are you? Mooohoohahahaha!!![}:)][}:)][}:)] But seriously, I want to know if you should buy your straps online or in a store if they are obviously cheaper online?
BennyB12
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14 Nov 2011 11:05am
.

My observations are that kiters that come from prone surfing background find strapless easier to pick up, kiters that come from wakeboard background just can't get their head around it and stick to straps/training wheels no matter what the conditions.

My 2c


And heres mine....


And what is prone surfing? Is that like boogie boarding on a surfboard?
Could this be the next thing were all looking for?


Is this it?
Ellobuddha
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14 Nov 2011 12:09pm
If you want to go and surf the waves - strapless.

If you want to go out and surf the waves and charge at faces and boost off them then go strapped

If its light a bigger board strapless

If its honking straps to keep control of board in the windchop/slop


To those that red thumbed his question - its a forum, you pose questions and discussion.
Plummet
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14 Nov 2011 9:17am
JBFletch said...

Despite the "nego" replies, you are obviously after some useful help.

I find strapless better, as you can adjust your stance depending whether going up wind, riding over powered or for backhand waveriding.

Often fin selection can help alot and make a big difference to how your board rides in different conditions too.

If your new to the waves, try straps to get used to it. Then maybe ride flat water strapless to get a feel for the board.

Good luck.


Well i'm not new to waves in a sence i've been riding them since i started kitesurfing. (and back in the day on a long board surfboard)buit on the twin tip.

no flat water here. only waves, chop and more waves. Well maybe flat inbetween the white wash on big days. I rode my surfbaord strapless yesterday and found it a lot easier than i thought it would be. was surfing some lazy point break waves about shoulder high. very nice.

BennyB12
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14 Nov 2011 11:51am
Found some more... Seems prone surfing might actually







be the future...
shi thouse
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14 Nov 2011 10:27am
Seems like now is the good time to ask the following question...

I am considering getting into kiting however having recently had a knee reconstruction I am not overly keen to stick my feet into straps when learning.

Given this situation, would learning without straps be any more difficult?

Cheers for any feedback.
Ellobuddha
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14 Nov 2011 1:46pm
shi thouse said...

Seems like now is the good time to ask the following question...

I am considering getting into kiting however having recently had a knee reconstruction I am not overly keen to stick my feet into straps when learning.

Given this situation, would learning without straps be any more difficult?

Cheers for any feedback.


I would say that learning using straps would be far easier as far as taking off goes when learning. You've got a far bit going on to remember when learning to take off so using straps is far easier until you get the hang of it.

Having said that, you dont have to have them tight or even snug. Mine are really loose - they are only used to hang the board off your feet whilst in the air as its much better to be able to move your foot around, especially riding toeside and surfing waves.
surfingboye
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14 Nov 2011 3:38pm
If you want straps, I reckon your better of with a front strap and leave the rear free. That's if you only want it for a bit of a hand when new on the surfboard. This probably helps get your weight forward when tacking, instead of having all your weight over the fins.
driftin
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14 Nov 2011 2:14pm
If your going to unhook

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www.losethestraps.com

NickT
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14 Nov 2011 2:17pm
More of a pain gybing with straps
AKSonline
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14 Nov 2011 2:36pm
Hi Plummet,

Age old question and there has been a lot written about it in the past. Problem is, it's hard to get a non biased opinion. It seems that the kitesurf community has polarised into two very distinct opinions and rarely do the two meet.

I ride straps and strapless, and hooked and also unhooked. My decision on the setup to ride is based solely on the prevailing conditions. Some conditions can only be ridden strapped and some offer the choice. The choice then is yours.

Strapped is easier for sure and under normal conditions. Comparing two riders strapped to unstrapped can't really be done in terms of performance or difficulty if they are both performing the same manoeuvres. However, if the strapped rider is a good rider and fully exploiting the use of straps to pull of tricks or moves which will never be pulled off strapless, then the level of difficulty is similar.

In general, strapped riding is for when the wind is above 25 knots. In these conditions, the water becomes like a washing machine with gnarly chop making it hard to stay on an unstrapped board. Most one eyed unstrapped riders will continue to ride unstrapped and will be bounced off and pulled over the front of the board fairly regularly making it a bit difficult for others in the break to avoid them as they body drag around for their board.

In bigger onshore frontal conditions, you simply cannot ride strapless. The need to boost over 6 foot walls of foam is the only way you'll get out the back. Straps are essential for this riding. I've never seen any unstrapped rider get out in a strong westerly in big surf, seen a few try, but fail.

Wave size is irrelevant in terms of strapped or strapless. Any size can be successfully ridden if conditions are clean side, side/on or side/off. You can even ride offshore if you have a kite that de-powers enough.

If you stop worrying about what everyone else thinks is cool or acceptable and push your own ability in all conditions all the time, using the tools at your disposal, then you will be a much better balanced and all round kiter.

Go ahead and do your own thing and worry less about what's cool or acceptable. Dicover your own boundarys and then push them to the limit. If you're totally comfortable, then you need to push it a bit further.

Have fun, both are sweet when applied to the correct conditions. The only way you'll know what works for you though, is if you have a go yourself and take others advice with a pinch of salt.

DM
Andrash
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14 Nov 2011 2:53pm
surfingboye said...

If you want straps, I reckon your better of with a front strap and leave the rear free. That's if you only want it for a bit of a hand when new on the surfboard. This probably helps get your weight forward when tacking, instead of having all your weight over the fins.


It also means an increased chance of another knee reconstruction or twisted ankle, when things go pear shape on the face and you are stuck into one strap of the turning/spinning board.
Andrash
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14 Nov 2011 2:54pm
NickT said...

More of a pain gybing with straps


...and more fun when dialed...
Plummet
Plummet
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14 Nov 2011 3:41pm
AKSonline said...

Hi Plummet,

Age old question and there has been a lot written about it in the past. Problem is, it's hard to get a non biased opinion. It seems that the kitesurf community has polarised into two very distinct opinions and rarely do the two meet.

I ride straps and strapless, and hooked and also unhooked. My decision on the setup to ride is based solely on the prevailing conditions. Some conditions can only be ridden strapped and some offer the choice. The choice then is yours.

Strapped is easier for sure and under normal conditions. Comparing two riders strapped to unstrapped can't really be done in terms of performance or difficulty if they are both performing the same manoeuvres. However, if the strapped rider is a good rider and fully exploiting the use of straps to pull of tricks or moves which will never be pulled off strapless, then the level of difficulty is similar.

In general, strapped riding is for when the wind is above 25 knots. In these conditions, the water becomes like a washing machine with gnarly chop making it hard to stay on an unstrapped board. Most one eyed unstrapped riders will continue to ride unstrapped and will be bounced off and pulled over the front of the board fairly regularly making it a bit difficult for others in the break to avoid them as they body drag around for their board.

In bigger onshore frontal conditions, you simply cannot ride strapless. The need to boost over 6 foot walls of foam is the only way you'll get out the back. Straps are essential for this riding. I've never seen any unstrapped rider get out in a strong westerly in big surf, seen a few try, but fail.

Wave size is irrelevant in terms of strapped or strapless. Any size can be successfully ridden if conditions are clean side, side/on or side/off. You can even ride offshore if you have a kite that de-powers enough.

If you stop worrying about what everyone else thinks is cool or acceptable and push your own ability in all conditions all the time, using the tools at your disposal, then you will be a much better balanced and all round kiter.

Go ahead and do your own thing and worry less about what's cool or acceptable. Dicover your own boundarys and then push them to the limit. If you're totally comfortable, then you need to push it a bit further.

Have fun, both are sweet when applied to the correct conditions. The only way you'll know what works for you though, is if you have a go yourself and take others advice with a pinch of salt.

DM


As always a good rational response thanks DM.

I'm not interested at all in whats cool and whats not. IMO the cool guys limit themselves by only being allowing themselves to do cool things. Stuff that i'll do what has the biggest fun factor regardless of coolness factor.

I started this thread to get an idea why other people ride either strapless or not. but as you say a logical response seems difficult for some posters.

waveslave
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14 Nov 2011 3:52pm




When riding fully strapped,
you too can do this cool move. ^^^
lol.
And you don't have to grip the rail with your free hand to stay connected.
Wavekiting can be like religion,
when some preachy kiter starts banging on about how their way is the best way,
the cool way, the only way ...
ride away.
wishy
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14 Nov 2011 3:58pm
strapless and kiteless! otherwise twintip and BOOOOOOOOST!
laurie
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14 Nov 2011 6:54pm
Plummet said...
...
. I rode my surfbaord strapless yesterday and found it a lot easier than i thought it would be.


That be the truth. Some many crew think it's some mystic art, but fact is you can be having fun pretty quick.

Strapped kiting is great fun, and has it's place as the others have said.

There's no denying that having the security of straps holding your feet to the board hides lots of technique errors such as developing your board trim and kite control.

If you're into waves, and want to progress, then kiting a surfboard without straps improves your skills big time and makes you a better kitesurfer.
surfingboye
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14 Nov 2011 8:53pm
Andrash said...

surfingboye said...

If you want straps, I reckon your better of with a front strap and leave the rear free. That's if you only want it for a bit of a hand when new on the surfboard. This probably helps get your weight forward when tacking, instead of having all your weight over the fins.


It also means an increased chance of another knee reconstruction or twisted ankle, when things go pear shape on the face and you are stuck into one strap of the turning/spinning board.


you need to do some knee weights then, mine have never felt stressed when wiping out. unless they're just a little newer!


Underoath
Underoath
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14 Nov 2011 7:57pm
I was riding strapped the other day and my back strap came off.

Rode strapless for the first time,

Wasn't much difference at my level of learner talent.
Andrash
Andrash
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14 Nov 2011 6:17pm
surfingboye said...

Andrash said...

surfingboye said...

If you want straps, I reckon your better of with a front strap and leave the rear free. That's if you only want it for a bit of a hand when new on the surfboard. This probably helps get your weight forward when tacking, instead of having all your weight over the fins.


It also means an increased chance of another knee reconstruction or twisted ankle, when things go pear shape on the face and you are stuck into one strap of the turning/spinning board.


you need to do some knee weights then, mine have never felt stressed when wiping out. unless they're just a little newer!






chances are high, they are.... and I am sure you'd like to keep them that way...
SammyJ
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14 Nov 2011 8:11pm
BennyB12 said...

Found some more... Seems prone surfing might actually







be the future...

I take it thats a google image search, some f#ck wits probably call themself surfers and have never even heard of prone surfing.
For those that don;t know what prone surfing is it is when you paddle by hand into a wave. pretty simple has been the Lehman terminology for god knows how many years.

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