strapless, where have you been all my life???

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sandman
sandman
WA
432 posts
WA, 432 posts
10 Feb 2007 11:18pm
Being from the "country" I'll admit to being abit behind the times. But today i started to catch up, I went for a strappless kitesurf and damn! what the hell have i been wasting my time doing raleys for??? it's now 6 hours since I came off the water and I'm still smiling
I was using the 6'8 I bought to learn to surf last winter...I get the impression it's abit big though. Can anyone tell me what they have found out from trying various boards in the surf?
Do normal surfboards cut it? or is the rocket fish etc the go
Sizes for 1 to 6 ft faces, 75 kg rider.
Any other info people I should know about before getting some more boards to practise on/break...

Ahhhh, I think I experienced heaven...
james
kiterdan
kiterdan
WA
680 posts
WA, 680 posts
10 Feb 2007 11:53pm
I've used a few different boards from 5'5 to 6'5. I'm still on an Underground 5'8 but I've decided my next board will be slightly longer...maybe 5'10 or 6'0 but with the same width and thickness. Generally speaking, the longer boards will be harder but it all comes down to the overall shape/dimensions of the board and the wave.

IMO I reckon the best board for the conditions will be slightly smaller than you would paddle surf in the same conditions. For the smaller waves, you'll have to rely on the kite more anyway.

I haven't tried the new rocket fish but the old one had absolutely no rocker in the tail and so was more like an old school directional. I should bite my tongue but IMO if you can't paddle surf it, it won't be as good as a surfboard you can (wave size obviously has to be considered). The newer boards are apparently a lot better.

If you are going to stay strapless, you may want to consider a normal surfboard as they are generally cheaper than kiting specific boards. 2nd generation tufflites are out (supposedly more like conventional polyester boards than the originals...flex) and retail for between 650 and 1000. The Al Merricks look the goods too.

Anyway, hope that helps! If you're just starting out, just stay with your board, try as many different boards as you can (all different dimesnions) and have fun.

Cheers
Dan Roberts

Kitehard
Kitehard
WA
2782 posts
WA, 2782 posts
11 Feb 2007 1:36am
Hi Sandman,

I ride a 6'2" for waves smaller than 3 foot and my trusty 6' for anything bigger. It also depends upon the wind speed as well as wave size, when it's nukin, go smaller so you can handle the bear away bottom turn speed runs. Keep an extra set of fins handy too so you can modify it's performance to suit the conditions.

Spend some time trashing an old surfboard and once you have a basic idea of how it all goes, I would suggest getting a kitesurf specific wave board like the Airush Converse which can be paddled as well as kited 2 in 1! It gives you the option of going unstrapped in lighter smaller conditions or strapping up when it gets crazy and you wanna go looking for airs off the lip.

A $600 paddle board wont be worth much to you once you have rolled the fin plugs, heel dented the deck and snapped the thing in half.

Kiteboards are made to take the abuse of kiteboarding. Makes sense huh?

Good winds,

Eye of the storm
Eye of the storm
QLD
131 posts
QLD, 131 posts
11 Feb 2007 6:49pm
A lot of people say all sorts of things but i reckon if you can't surf it don't kite it.
I use the smallest board that i would surf. i have boards from 6'3 to 6'8 for paddle surfing and like my 6'3 best for kiting.
kiterdan
kiterdan
WA
680 posts
WA, 680 posts
11 Feb 2007 7:03pm
As kitehard said...
You will absolutely trash a polyester board if you're not extremely careful (but wheres the fun in that?!). If you can, get an epoxy...it will handle a lot more abuse and last a lot longer
sandman
sandman
WA
432 posts
WA, 432 posts
12 Feb 2007 10:09am
Thanks for your help guys. Sounds as though I should be getting something about 6'0. Either a normal surfboard that i dont mind destroying (there is no chance of me being extremely careful!) But prefferably a kite specific board that has a bit of tail rocker.

If I got for a surfboard I'm guessing I should be looking for
*thin rails
*narrow tail section
*decent nose rocker

Does that soulnd about right?

James

PS went for another session and finally learn't how to gybe the buggers! its just as bloody diffictult as windsurfing.
simonmm
simonmm
QLD
200 posts
QLD, 200 posts
12 Feb 2007 12:01pm
As stated already, polyester won't last long at all (unless it has been custome built for kitesurfing).

For me I like use the same length I surf with (6'2 to 6'4) and stick with smaller kites. Using the paddle board means that as soon as the wind turns off, you can still get some great surf sessions in. Check out the Webber, Rawson and Merrick tufflites.
CAUTION
CAUTION
WA
1097 posts
WA, 1097 posts
12 Feb 2007 11:24am
one thing to remember mate is a lot of people on this forum push either the brands you are affiliated with or the ones they ride with.

in terms of kite specific boards, yeh could be all well and good for you but its a hard call to just grab a design off the shelf and it be perfect for the conditions you ride in. oh and they are not designed to be indestructable...
definately worth trying and investigating price tho as there are guys on the beaches ripping with off the shelf boards.

polyester boards can handle kiting if made correctly for kiting.
there are a few of us that ride with custom shapes to suit what we like and they are glassed heavier and some with stronger cores to suit. worth thinking about. especially if you surf and know what sore of feel you like in a board.

some of these guys include (and in no order):
P-dot
Steve del rosso (clearwater)
stuey
elizabethb
elizabethb
QLD
2081 posts
QLD, 2081 posts
12 Feb 2007 12:58pm

I ride a 6'1 Ian Byrne designed Mt Woodgee board, and it is AWESOME in the surf around 2-3ft and flat water. (However I am only 52 kgs.)

The same goes for the 6'2 Stuey Board. Both awesome.

You could also give the kite-brand specific surfboards a try. There is always a reason why Surfers make surfboards and not kiters. It suits the specific sport with absolute perfection usually.

Why not give thethe Liquid Force 5'8 or 6' Surfboard a try. Get back to me if you want any more info on this one too =]

www.liquidforce.com.au/

Goodwinds
=D

KiteDevil
KiteDevil
TAS
778 posts
TAS, 778 posts
12 Feb 2007 4:00pm
Have a look at a BIC 5"10 fish. rrp: $400 I think. Good fin purchase (FCS just bust at the hint of a sandbar while kiting), flexy and very indestructable. Possibly uncool, plasticy and not seen on pipeline, but if you don't care then they could be good. Or have a look at the BIC 6'2 universal short board, epoxy (they call it CTS). Check out their website.

I kite my 9'4 Nat Young Mal and a 6'8 Cutloose Stubby tail with extra glass coz I'm a fat bastard. big muscley man.

I'm sick of buying FCS fins, keep that in mind when you're looking.
gruezi
gruezi
WA
3464 posts
WA, 3464 posts
16 Feb 2007 10:22pm
Rode a sufboard for the first time today.............
mergaTroy
mergaTroy
NSW
150 posts
NSW, 150 posts
21 Feb 2007 2:24am


I AM HOOKED AND DON'T BOTHER TAKING MY TWIN TIP ANYMORE, I MOSTLEY RIDE MY 6'2 THAT IS 18 1/4 WIDE WITH A LOWISH RAIL RAWSON TUFFLIGHT BUT I JUST WENT AWAY FOR 4 DAYS AND I TOOK THE 6'4 RAWSON THAT I ALSO SURFED WHEN THE WIND DROPPED. THESE COME WITH INSERTS SO YOU HAVE THE OPTION TO (DARE I SAY IT) PUT STRAPS ON. THE BIGGER BOARD IS FINE AND IT'S GREAT TO HAVE THE OPTION WHEN THE WIND SUX.
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