hey ive been riding the havocs for few months now and i really like them it took me a bit of getting used to compared to my m80s which i still think were great c kites... but for the havocs i find them a very easy kite to fly with great control and no bar pressure they have a good construction and a simple bar layout.. they are awesome for relaunching especially in waves were u need to launch pretty quick sometimes...
As for riding in waves thats basically all i do know and i find them good they are super fast and stable.. the one thing which i find with all the hybrid bow kites is that they sit far up into the window which gives great upwind but i find it a little hard chasin down the line.. i think its just something with these new kites to get used to or the location u ride in... all up im very happy with them and think they are great especially for safety and simplicity.. hope this helps
