I have BWS noise and a Slingshot Rally.
The BWS is quite grunty and seams to better if you have a nice clean wave and you can just drift it down the line.
The Slingshot turns faster and is good in messy waves where you want to change direction often.
I guess it depends on what kind of wave your going to be riding.
Saying that, both off these kites out perform my abillities

yeah i ride powered in the waves. (on a mutant).

I think any of the wave kites will work just ride a size up from most of the sb riders and yourl be powered.

Usually i'm not getting onto my 8m cat until 25 plus and don't think about the 6m reo unless the gusts are hitting past 35 knots.

The nrg was a bit like that even though it is a higher aspect kite than most wave kites per say. That throttles on and off if you need it although when turning it does have a bit of forward turning, so that might not be what you are after.

Now I'm not a fan of the rebel in the surf, but from what I'm reading that is a kite that will stall like you said through a pivot turn, then bangs on the power real quick. Has that throttle thingy you are talking about although it can pull you off your line due to its aspect.

Not sure that's about all I have for you on that.

There is the wainmen, that has that throttle thing going on though and its a bloody good drifter as well, also boosts okay when you need it to.

I'd say in general if you do want that stall and throttle you would want your back lines shortened a bit to creat that stall effect, then ping it off the throttle to fly it forward. That might work.

Guys I read above and it doesn't seem you are answering the stall, throttle question...you keep banging on about drift, that's not his focus here.

and the Rally too, i also hear the Switch Method is worth a look

I'm kind of getting the answer about the shape/performance through the kites that are being suggested

eppo, do you mean shorten the back lines, or just pull the bar in to stall, then release?

gordknot said...
and the Rally too, i also hear the Switch Method is worth a look

I'm kind of getting the answer about the shape/performance through the kites that are being suggested

eppo, do you mean shorten the back lines, or just pull the bar in to stall, then release?

Shorten the back lines. And yes the wave should be on your demo list, really precise kite. Turns on a dime. Has that instant power and depower.

Yeh agree if I was to get a wave kite that would be at the top of my demo list. Had it conditions that needed a little more power but I could see what it would do with more wind over its wing. Its a no brainer kite, very very precise, you can feel the razor in it and also the lithuim for simplicity of use, drift and a decent jumper.

Yep I reckon fletch might be onto something here. As I said what you are after sounds very rebelish and the reason I didn't like them in the waves actually. But you seem to need this for your style.

The fuse is the four line rebel and I have heard in the past the power delivery can be shut on and off better.

Then you get boost potential as well. You want to get up and over the face of the wave don't discount the need for ease of boost in a kite.

Getting somewhere now I feel.

Need throttle........LOOP IT

It is interesting, throttle versus drift and boost.
I find there are a few contradictory comments with wave kites today.
Do crew want them fast, stable, lots of drift, throttle and boost or all of the above.
I havent ridden many current wave kites but I did test a 2013 10m Rally, I thought it was going to be my next kite. I was using 2010 RPM's and I had to say I was disappointed, it had throttle (so to speak) boosted great, very stable but very slow. It was the lack of speed that disappointed me. (The previous model was quite fast from all reports - haven't ridden one)
Having said that I only demo'd it for a couple of hours and I reckon you would get used to the speed and be able to crank it if you needed to.
I will test a Reo next time, but I am thinking I might be disappointed by the lack of boost (do I need boost in a wave kite? - maybe not, depends where the waves are?)

thanks guys, that's kinda helped, even the suggestions about what's an awesome wave kite which is good to hear but not what i was asking- Checking out each of the designs from all the suggestiosn pretty much leaves me figuring i've just got to demo the two styles to really work it out- do the "drift" kites lack that extra bit of on/off throttle power that the "boost" kites have but at the cost of drift?

Get a Demo on an Cabrinha Drifter 2013 9m

TBH, After a few days on it in varying conditions I bought the kite. I'm 98kgs and have found it works from 16kts to high 30's (yet to have more than 37kts at my spot)

I am selling my 9 & 12m Airush Waves as there is no comparison


I've been flying the Drifter on 20m lines, yet to try it on 23m lines (standard length)
It's a fast mad little kite, that you sine or park, it rockets upwind. The more apparent wind you build, the faster it goes, edge it and it goes to the edge of the window it pulls cleanly at the edge of the window. it's an amazing experience

I only ever want to fly that kite from now on. It *is* a revelation

Hi gordknot, I will try and answer your question without getting to tech.

You talk about throttle on-off . This is achieved by being able to stall a kite and then let it fly . When stalling a kite it causes turbulence over the top of the wing and prevents any lift being created. When the kite is getting smooth airflow over the wing it generates lift which is your power .

A deep foiled kite will generate power like a truck , it sits back in the window, flies relatively slowly, is very stable and will have that low down grunt that everybody talks about, it will still generate some power at very low speed making it difficult to switch off.

A flatter foiled kite will fly fast and so will generate its power at speed, When you choke(stall) the kite it will generate virtually no power (switched off) then when you let it fly it will generate the power through its speed through the air. The faster the kite flies the more power it will generate.

I have flown a lot of different kites over many years and have always found that each style of kite has its pros and cons and no one kite does it all UNTIL NOW...

I have been flying the Airush wave 9m and 6m for a few weeks now and find it the best kite I have ever used.

It is able to do it all, the control is amazing and the wind range is brilliant.
The kite has a very thin leading edge and a very flat foil making it very fast through the air (flies forward easily so smoothing out the gusts and can generate a lot of power by working it if necessary)

The thing that makes this kite so good is the bridal, they have been able to achieve a huge range of depower in the throw of the chicken loop line. This achieves the on-off ability that you talk about.
It is still a super balanced kite in the air to the point when the lines are allowed to go completely slack it will just float backwards and not fall out of the sky.
I can honestly say that this kite has the most significant change in design and handling that I have experienced ever. It has improved my riding and the things I can achieve on the wave instantly.

I could rave on about this kite for a lot longer but suggest you do try and demo it as I am sure this all sounds too good to be true .

Cheers Mike

yeah eppo, what you say about it being super responsive and quick turning is true.

The remarkable thing is how predictable and easy it is to use, it never feels twitchy or that it is going to take off or turn unexpectedly.

Love these kites

Just tryed the Airush wave 6m the other day in 22kn I am 92kg...outstanding the most I have been impressed with a kite in years. Prob going to get a couple...

Arash said...
Get a Demo on an Cabrinha Drifter 2013 9m

TBH, After a few days on it in varying conditions I bought the kite. I'm 98kgs and have found it works from 16kts to high 30's (yet to have more than 37kts at my spot)

I am selling my 9 & 12m Airush Waves as there is no comparison


I've been flying the Drifter on 20m lines, yet to try it on 23m lines (standard length)
It's a fast mad little kite, that you sine or park, it rockets upwind. The more apparent wind you build, the faster it goes, edge it and it goes to the edge of the window it pulls cleanly at the edge of the window. it's an amazing experience

I only ever want to fly that kite from now on. It *is* a revelation

What the FCK !?

You cheeky Mother Fckr

You copied my post and changed some of the words to Cab and Drifter
Oh and changed your weight from 97kgs to 98 and similar numerical changes for the wind speed.

SonnyRider said...
Get a Demo on an Airush Wave 9m

TBH, After a few days on it in varying conditions I bought the kite. I'm 97kgs and have found it works from 18kts to high 30's (yet to have more than 36kts at my spot)

I am selling my 10 & 12m Reo's as there is no comparison


<edit> I've been flying the Wave on 20m lines, yet to try it on 23m lines (standard length)
It's a fast mad little kite, that you sine or park, it rockets upwind. The more apparent wind you build, the faster it goes, edge it and it goes to the edge of the window it pulls cleanly at the edge of the window. it's an amazing experience

I only ever want to fly that kite from now on. It *is* a revelation