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bigmark100
bigmark100
NSW
584 posts
NSW, 584 posts
17 Jan 2008 2:32pm
What's your strategy when handling the following 2 senarios :

1. When you hare heading out -> towards the waves, and a wave you are approaching is about to break. You want to get past the wave, not ride it.

-> I find that when I go over the wave, ie just over the lip, I am getting air - flying downwind, and landing in the water with no power. Most of the time I also swing around in the air - and dont land well.
Occasionally I am landing okay - ie when I am able to keep my body composure., - but hard , but also losing power. What am I doing wrong - or should I be doing something else?

2. You are riding towards the shore, and a wave has already broken and coming up behind you.

wave ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
direction of travel ->

you are riding upwind......

How do you get over the wave - without being caught up in the white mushy stuff. which is quite big .

any other tips for riding in wavey conditions?

thx
Saffer
Saffer
VIC
4501 posts
VIC, 4501 posts
17 Jan 2008 3:04pm
I'm not an expert in wave riding by any means but this is how I ride waves.(albeit badly at that)

if I am coming towards a wave I always lift my kite as I go up the wind and drop it down as I go down the other side. In effect this pulls you up the wave and the down stroke will give you the power you need to continue when you have gone over it. I also try to time the waves, i.e. if I see the wave is about to break, steer downwind and try to find a point in the way where there is a clean face, or load and pop over the foam. If I know i can get to the wave before it breaks, I pick up speed and try to get over it quickly.

In terms of coming in, I'm not 100% sure what you mean by going over the foam if you are riding in towards shore. If you are running towards shore, you are travelling in the same direction as the foam so you shouldn't need to go over it unless you are talking about gybing in which case, again, I'd steer downwind and pick up speed to outrun the wave a bit and then turn and come back over it with more speed.
Jimmyz
Jimmyz
NSW
446 posts
NSW, 446 posts
17 Jan 2008 3:08pm
Well for no. 1., I'm a total noob, but I've only ever ridden in very choppy water.

I found the trick usually is to try edge before hitting the wave and keeping your kite low, that way I find that tension remains in the lines and once you get over the wave you are still powered up enough to not sink. As I go up the wave I usually take the kite a bit higher into the air just so I get pulled up the wave a bit, once I have passed the lip I dive the kite a little (depending on windspeed) and point with my board a little more downwind so that I can get back to speed to edge again, also diving the kite downwards reduces the likelihood of an unintentional jump.

Generally I also find that putting a bit more pressure on the back foot than normal also helps climb the face of the wave without the nose of the board digging in and slowing you down.

As for no.2 I am yet to figure that one out, but I also find that pointing the board a little more in the direction of the whitewash's travel (or straight into it if you can) and keeping a compact posture prevents me from being knocked over backwards from the whitewash taking out my legs and also minimising the area that the waves has to hit you. I've thought that maybe if you do an s movement with your kite higher up then your kite may prevent you from falling over backwards when the wash hits your legs, I've managed that once or twice only, but if you got good at it Im sure it may help a lot.

Generally this is what I try to do, it works most of the time... I'm sure there is heaps of other advice from more experienced kiters though.
carbine
carbine
WA
1450 posts
WA, 1450 posts
17 Jan 2008 1:10pm
nail a threeo off it
gruezi
gruezi
WA
3464 posts
WA, 3464 posts
17 Jan 2008 1:16pm
WdaF is a "threeo?'
Jimmyz
Jimmyz
NSW
446 posts
NSW, 446 posts
17 Jan 2008 3:16pm
lol saffer beat me to it
sunseeker
sunseeker
QLD
1203 posts
QLD, 1203 posts
17 Jan 2008 2:30pm
The first scenario is one that you have to learn when riding strapless and one that I only mastered when riding strapless for the first time.

As you are going up the face, straighten your board up down the line and downwind thus travelling diagonally over the top of the wave and down the other side
Spacemonkey!
Spacemonkey!
SA
2288 posts
SA, 2288 posts
17 Jan 2008 3:07pm
1.) Keep your kite low the whole time and you won't get as much air, bend your legs as you get over the top of it and bear downwind slightly. This will prevent you from gettting unintentional air.

2.) You refer to when it's pretty onshore, you gotta ride with speed, bear downwind then carve upwind really hardand sort of pop/lift your legs over the chop. Takes a bit of timing and if the white wash is really big your not going to get over it.
Dawn Patrol
Dawn Patrol
WA
1991 posts
WA, 1991 posts
17 Jan 2008 2:39pm
Just started on a strapless board, and i find if the wave is just breaking i push down on my front foot, and nosedive the board through the wave, kinda like a duckdive, then brace the body and power through the wave.
I guess it only works when the waves are smaller. But it seems to work half the time, the other half i get hammered by the wave, and my baord ends up on the shore.Practise me thinks.
bensimilia
bensimilia
WA
4 posts
WA, 4 posts
27 Jan 2008 12:00am
Just do it ...
Gstar
Gstar
WA
391 posts
WA, 391 posts
27 Jan 2008 2:10am
Bust a downloop as you hit the lip.....No more slack lines.
Continue, laughing manically
brucex
brucex
QLD
701 posts
QLD, 701 posts
27 Jan 2008 8:59am
hey -
Spacemonkey has the strategy well explained here so follow his post......

However I would not suggest the Dawn Patrol method unless you want to fall off each time you you hit some decent whitewater. ( I think he is smoking crack!)

FYI Ben Wilson is releasing his wave instructional dvd in the next few weeks .....all this and more answered.

here is the trailer


JEFFERSON
JEFFERSON
WA
72 posts
WA, 72 posts
28 Jan 2008 12:48am
Yeah, duck diving is the way to go. Hold your breath and just try to ride the whole way out whilst still under water. Also, always keep your kite between 11 and 1 o'clock whilst in the break zone. That way you take up as much room as possible. If someone is riding a wave in you should never turn around and get out of their way, you should slow down and put your kite at 12 o'clock, thereby ruining the wave for the guy coming in. Also, if you are in the water or on the beach having a break, also keep your kite at 12 o'clock and whatever you do don't ever consider that some one else may be wanting to actually ride a wave. Always attempt to ride down the line on a twin tip, it works really well. If you intend to just cruise in and out then you should always try to do it at the same peak where other guys are trying to actually utilise the waves to have fun. If possible crash your kite near children or the elderly and make sure you wear a helmet, life vest and seat harness. Lastly, don't worry learning the basics on flat water, just pump up and hit the open beaches.
JAKE123
JAKE123
QLD
314 posts
QLD, 314 posts
28 Jan 2008 7:44pm
if the wave is big and pitching (just about to break), and it looks like you wont make it just quickly turn around and outrun it. wou wont loose hardly any ground downwind. the when the waves power has subsided turnaround and hop over the wash. when its bigger you may have to keep doing this untill you get a lull in the sets to make it out. whitewater is piss to get over (unless its humungous) just pop and lift the front of your board over it. its soft and aerated.
peanuticus
peanuticus
NSW
341 posts
NSW, 341 posts
29 Jan 2008 10:14pm
mark, I'll show you on friday at about 6am if your keen I'll try to remember to txt ya when I'm on my way down
Jimmyz
Jimmyz
NSW
446 posts
NSW, 446 posts
30 Jan 2008 1:49am
I hit a pitching wave the other day at speed... did the maddest accidental 360 spin and got huge air... regardless of the fact my board got flung like 10 meters into the wave and washed away... it was SO MUCH FUN

I still find the really big ones a bit intimidating tho
peanuticus
peanuticus
NSW
341 posts
NSW, 341 posts
30 Jan 2008 10:59am
it helps to watch the big waves and learn how they are breaking, if I see a big section i need to get over and its at the point of breaking usually pulling in the bar and powering off downwind 10 or 20 meters will avoid the section and you can ride up and over a non breaking bit. its also good to control your speed and pick a good line, sometimes edgeing real hard to slow and down and going upwind of a breaking secion will work and the slower you go over the less air you'll get. takes practise and l hate to say it learning to paddle out a surfboard will help you pick good lines and watch waves and how they break. I hardly ever watch direct in front of me, I'm looking up and down the line watching for gaps in the surf to get out or waves peaking up to catch.

www.seabreeze.com.au/gallery/gallery.asp?imageid=6843

I think its ok to run away from these ones tho!
Jimmyz
Jimmyz
NSW
446 posts
NSW, 446 posts
31 Jan 2008 1:29pm
Yeh, good old long reef and narrabeen (particularly Narra) have heaps of random sandbanks... the water looks nice and flat, but waves just rise outof the blue and break within a few seconds, so unpredictable... I find it SO frustrating if the wind isnt blowing hard enough, not enough power to go over the waves, not enough power to be sure that you can turn around and kite away before you get washingmachined and lose your board...

I do however often pick the wavy spots because there are very few other kiters who go there (southern-middle side of Narra) and I get heaps of space to myself... when I finally make it past the break.
loco4olas
loco4olas
NSW
1525 posts
NSW, 1525 posts
1 Feb 2008 11:38pm
JEFFERSON said...

Yeah, duck diving is the way to go. Hold your breath and just try to ride the whole way out whilst still under water. Also, always keep your kite between 11 and 1 o'clock whilst in the break zone. That way you take up as much room as possible. If someone is riding a wave in you should never turn around and get out of their way, you should slow down and put your kite at 12 o'clock, thereby ruining the wave for the guy coming in. Also, if you are in the water or on the beach having a break, also keep your kite at 12 o'clock and whatever you do don't ever consider that some one else may be wanting to actually ride a wave. Always attempt to ride down the line on a twin tip, it works really well. If you intend to just cruise in and out then you should always try to do it at the same peak where other guys are trying to actually utilise the waves to have fun. If possible crash your kite near children or the elderly and make sure you wear a helmet, life vest and seat harness. Lastly, don't worry learning the basics on flat water, just pump up and hit the open beaches.



Exactly the advice I'd like to give!

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