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e0422713
e0422713
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12 Jan 2012 5:36pm
Kayaker comes to rescue

A kayaker has come to the rescue of a kite surfer who got into difficulty off Woodman Point today.

Anyone shed light on this
e0422713
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12 Jan 2012 5:42pm
SEARCH: A kite surfer has been rescued after getting into difficulty of Woodman Point.Picture: File

A KAYAK rider has come to the rescue of a kite surfer who got into difficulty off Woodman Point today.

Police and sea rescue groups launched a major search shortly after 8am in response to reports that a kite surfer was in trouble about half-way between the shore and Garden Island.

The kayaker arrived to help the kite rider until the pair was spotted from the police helicopter and a rescue boat sent to their aid.

Police spokesman Samuel Dinnison said the surfer had been in the water for about an hour before he was rescued.

"Without the assistance of the kayaker and the sea rescue boat it is unlikely that he would have survived for much longer," he said.
puppetonastring
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12 Jan 2012 5:52pm
Woodman Pt in a 10kt Easterly
WTF !!!!
Spacemonkey!
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12 Jan 2012 9:24pm
Read on Sci's facebook last night that he called sea rescue for a kiter that later got rescued like this by a kayak. So this happened yesterday, pretty sure.

Let him tell you the rest...
dave......
dave......
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12 Jan 2012 8:34pm
Helicopters, Police Boat,Volunteer Sea and rescue, Easterly winds 10 knots. Make him pay for his absolute stupidity.
Spacemonkey!
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12 Jan 2012 11:09pm
Yesterday was a seabreeze was it not, at least that's what I read..
gruezi
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12 Jan 2012 8:59pm
So let me guess...the guy was kiting alone at sun set and being too far from shore.............sounds like an idiot.......wahoooo, now if this is what happened I recon we've got the bigger idiot than the one at Bondi.
kiter2007
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12 Jan 2012 9:00pm
was yesterday on a dying seabreeze! wouldn't be pleasant floating around deep water in the dark!!!
tightlines
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12 Jan 2012 9:40pm
I wonder if it was an Aussie?
Spacemonkey!
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13 Jan 2012 12:13am
I cant think of many things scarier than drifting out to sea on a failing sea breeze at woodies... Waiting for the men in grey suits to turn up...
the gibbo
the gibbo
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12 Jan 2012 9:56pm
he didnt have his Ovomaltine
woodys
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12 Jan 2012 9:58pm
Apologies - I read it that the rescue happened this morning and assumed he started his session this morning as well.
My apologies to the guy if he got caught out in the varying conditions of the seabreeze on Wed. evening. There were huge nos. out everywhere trying to make the most of what little was available.
Not knowing the details - have to give the guy benefit of doubt till we know better. Could happen to anyone.
Would have been a scary time waiting for rescue till 8:00pm.
SaveTheWhales
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12 Jan 2012 11:09pm
All you Fockers who do this Dumbarss crap need to be bent over and have it Rammed home with some 'ManTraining' Since kite training didnt work unfreakn believable No Sugar coating from me !

A kitesurfer is "lucky to be alive", according to police, after he was rescued in Coogee last night.

The 24-year-old German tourist had been noticed heading out of sight off Woodman Point, prompting a rescue operation at about 8.30pm
Water Police, a police helicopter, Cockburn Volunteer Sea Search and Rescue and two boats from Fremantle Sea Rescue were involved in the search for the man.

He was spotted by helicopter and a man who was kayaking in the area stayed with the man before he was rescued by boat.

It is believed the man had been in the water for about an hour before he was found and a police statement said infra-red cameras showed the man had little or no body heat when rescued.
"It is not known how long the man would have lasted in the water if it had not been for the
efforts of the man in the kayak and the rescue personnel involved," the statement said.
e0422713
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12 Jan 2012 11:29pm
tightlines said...

I wonder if it was an Aussie?


No some of the great whites are South Africans here on holiday
dusta
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13 Jan 2012 12:24am
no doubt there will be no donation or any thanks by this tourist for his rescuers
Bo
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13 Jan 2012 1:12am
tightlines said...

I wonder if it was an Aussie?

This xenophobia, **** me! Ok, it's a primal response to protect the genepool. Can be found in all societies. The more primitive and tribal the social group the more extreme its manifestation. Tells us a lot about ourselves doesnt it?

Quite a few people getting caught out in these current marginal conditions. Happened to me Monday when I was cruising around Little Island 1km offshore in a steady 20knt breeze when suddenly the wind turned. Only just made it back to shore. Today I saw at least 2 kites down well offshore at Floreat, downwinder gone wrong...

Take care people! And let see if we can be a bit more...uhm...dare I use the word, civilised?
airhead
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13 Jan 2012 7:53am
Made the channel 10 news. They showed the vision from the heli looked to be infrared so must have been getting dark.
NoBS
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13 Jan 2012 8:48am
e0422713 said...

Kayaker comes to rescue

A kayaker has come to the rescue of a kite surfer who got into difficulty off Woodman Point today.

Anyone shed light on this



young german guy kiting beach 3 when the wind dropped,swung and pushed him offshore.

Will tourists ever learn? Definatley not, just makes us all look stupid. We'll await his version of the story. Pit the noahs didn't give him a nudge. He wouldn't do it again. But then again I bet he's back today ready to do it all over again.

Knuckleheads...
Spacemonkey!
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13 Jan 2012 12:01pm
The thing is at woodies beach 3, if the wind turns to **** for whatever reason you need to make the call pretty early to swim in. If you can't make it in near the crane and there's not enough wind to make it upwind, IMO start swimming. I've had to do it a few times but you don't wait to your 1km offshore still trying to relaunch to make your swim in as swimming upwind is very hard. It's very much the case of don't go further offshore than your willing to swim in, and if your too much of a noob to realise this you shouldn't be kiting there.
bene313
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13 Jan 2012 11:09am
Spacemonkey! said...

IMO start swimming


Exactly - start swimming. Gear or no gear.

I'd prefer to ditch the gear and make the swim in, than go through the embarrassment of sea rescue.
sci
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13 Jan 2012 2:44pm
LOCATION: Beach 3 Woodmans Point

A small group of us had just finished our session when we noticed a kite down and man on the water a long way off the beach.

The sun was about to set and the wind was dropping SW around 15 knots. I observed a man offshore who seemed to be having extreme difficulty relaunching the kite.

After numerous attempts to relaunch he managed to get the kite back in the air.

It looked as if the guy was not sure 'HOW' to fly the kite back into the beach at Coogee. He was able to relaunch but kept trying to go out to sea rather than come in to the beach.

I then rang the Fremantle rescue services as the sun had now set and the man was in the water again with the kite down.

We stayed on the beach until we could no longer see the man at which point he was well over a 1km offshore.

I rang the rescue service again to tell them that we could no longer see the man.

They told me they had sent out the boat and asked me where he was last seen which was difficult to judge.

In the car park I was told he had just bought the board the day before and was actually an inexperienced rider that had just learned to go upwind.

YESTERDAY

I was at the beach yesterday again the same beach and the man was there again.

I had been told he had just had to self rescue his kite and swim in AGAIN. The conditions at the beach where awful with gusty SW breeze that at some points ranged from 0-13 knots.

The man approached me and asked me for a launch which I refused.

I asked him about the previous day and what happened - I do not think he understood me.

He then launched and returned to the car park.

I find this absolutely amazing that he was involved in this MAJOR rescue and decides its a good idea to back to the same beach again for more.

On side note his friend also a beginner unable to launch his newly acquired 5th line kite was floating around about 150M offshore!

He was then pulled in buy a guy on a 17M CORE kite.

15 Minutes later he is being given lessons on beach 3 on how to use his 5th Line by his mate.

This is an absolute disgrace. The rescued rider could have easily been involved in another rescue that evening or his mate.

I have spoken to some of the locals to ensure that if these men are on the beach again to refuse launching there kites and ask them to politely go to a beginners spot.

What else can we do?
StinkyPete
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13 Jan 2012 3:13pm
Fair enough the aussie thing to do is give em the benefit of the doubt. But 2 days in a row is just bloody dumb. Cant wait for the end of summer so all the dikheads piss off. Makes me wonder what their thinking kiting offshore but cant stay upwind.
dbabicwa
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13 Jan 2012 3:26pm
There are so many helicopter rescues in the Alps everywhere around the world. Millions of $ spent on a poor tourists caught unprepared...

Of avalanche, I think 3 young Aussies died when I was at Hakuba, Japan, some year's ago.
Man, I've witnessed 2 heli rescues in 3 days last winter over there...That's life, sh.t happens.
GalahOnTheBay
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13 Jan 2012 6:57pm
gruezi said...

So let me guess...the guy was kiting alone at sun set and being too far from shore.............sounds like an idiot.......wahoooo, now if this is what happened I recon we've got the bigger idiot than the one at Bondi.


Or was it the same person?!?!?!
harry potter
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13 Jan 2012 7:17pm
It's pretty simple really don't kite further out than you are prepared to swim.... I have no idea why people insist on kiting 1km offshore.
Kiting has attracted many people from the suburbs with little or no sea sense if the wind is blowing offshore and fickle
a) don't head far out or out at all.
b) do not spend 10min drifting further out whilst attempting relaunch ...bite the bullet pack down and paddle in.

I would bet that 90% of kiters would struggle to swim 1km in the ocean (most don't realize it is a lot bloody harder than in a pool) combined with an offshore breeze and current and it quickly becomes even harder.

People need to take more responsibility it's not just your safety at stake but you are also putting the lives of your rescuers at stake and or any person who has an emergency whilst the coast guard are attending to you.

The only reason I can think of why any kiter should need to be rescued is due to injury which prevents them from swimming gear failures and changing conditions are not valid excuses you should be checking your gear and the conditions before heading out obviously we don't all do that all the time ...... But if you don't go further out than you can swim you won't need a rescue.

It really is that simple.
tightlines
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13 Jan 2012 6:55pm
I don't know the circumstances but I wonder if he ever thought of ditching the kite?

I reckon I would have way before 8.30pm.

Anyone could end up in this predicament but I think I would be going through steps something like this,

I: Try to relaunch the kite; if that fails then,

II: Bring the kite around to the side that is at least dragging you back towards land (it was still blowing SW wasn't it), whilst crossing your fingers that the wind may pick up and it might relaunch; if you can't do that for some reason then,

III: Roll up the lines and self rescue, if there is a bit of wind you should make some progress toward the shore; if there is no wind or kite is deflated or whatever then,

IV: Ditch the thing and start swimming.

The last thing I would want to do is stay attached to something that was dragging me further out to sea.

You can buy another kite but you only get one life.
Spacemonkey!
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13 Jan 2012 9:39pm
After hearing the events from Sci I say go buy a big bottle of tuna oil and drench all his equipment in it, give darwin a hand.
woodys
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13 Jan 2012 10:16pm
sci said...

What else can we do?


Ive often expressed concern about cutting lines BUT in this case even I reckon it would be well justified.
Even a beginner can be forgiven one fk-up - but to rock up again ??? FFS
Hounding off the beach is not just the last resort but seems here the ONLY resort.
I really hope the S&R crews are billing him for the boat & chopper time.
puppetonastring
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13 Jan 2012 10:50pm
Oops signed in as Woodys - my commercial tag - for that last reply.
I would like to express Puppets view for the sake of those that know me.
I am appalled - seriously seriously angry.
If Sci's rundown is accurate (and why wouldnt it be - hes one of the ones with most to lose here) then this guy HAS to be stopped.
"What else can we do?"
A few things Sci....
Name shame & identify by personal description, vehicle description & rego and kite & board brands & colors.
IMO it would be every WA kiters responsibility to look out for & stop this guy anywhere he was seen doing anything to endanger himself, our spots or our sport.
If we all know who & what to look for we can be pre-warned. Im sure we all give unknowns a lot of leeway before anyone steps in to try to avoid a problem happening. This guy doesnt deserve ANY leeway and its only if we know how to recognise him that we can be forewarned to act in a way that may otherwise be considered premature.
If hes spotted somewhere else appearing to be doing the reasonable thing then fair enough - otherwise (imo) do whatever it takes to stop him. For mine that would be ANYTHING at all short of physical violence (but Im drawing the line there cos Im such a Clark Kent personality. If it has to go that far??? your call)

What else can you do Sci - give us all the full gen so we can all keep watch. Then just hope others take it seriously.

Sorry for the histrionics but this is sounding like the worst incident I have ever been alerted to.
That one rescue is now on the record and WILL be thrown in WAKSA's face on the next battle ground and every one following. Great to know we can rely on those S&R crews when its a true emergency but we cant afford abuses like this one - and certainly not twice over.
Chris6791
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14 Jan 2012 12:12am
Regarding ditching the kite, from a marine search and rescue point of view if he is way past the point of (or too incompetant to) packing up and getting himself back in I'd suggest a deep water self-rescue/pack-up but stay with the gear, it gives you extra buoyancy, gets you out of the water a little and is a bit easier to spot in a search. Yeah you will drift offshore a little quicker with it but the computer modelling used for drift predictions will take this into account. I'd suggest in this situation it's better to be a bit further out, nice and floaty and easier to spot, than just a cold hypothermic head bobbing in the ocean.

If you do decide to ditch the kite, anywhere in the water let someone know, in WA ring Freo Water Police, 9442 8600. From memory there was an expensive search for a lost kiter down Cottesloe way last season after someone saw a kite go down offshore and the rider punched out and swam back in.

But for this nutjob, Darwin will still get him, it just might take a couple of goes...
fver
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14 Jan 2012 12:35am
Chris6791 said...

I'd suggest in this situation it's better to be a bit further out, nice and floaty and easier to spot, than just a cold hypothermic head bobbing in the ocean.





... You can also wear a pdf and a wetsuit if the "offshore side" looks attractive. You do not look trendy but you expand the playing ground for a similar level of risk as staying closer to the beach without any pdf or wetsuit.



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