3rd Waist Harness Down - the I-body shape issue

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sketchy
sketchy
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20 Jan 2014 1:43pm
Hi All,

yes, the issue has been raised before but for all of my forum trawling, there hasn't been a stand-out answer.

I am so sick of ending ace sessions early from chronic rib pain and have had a small ion hummer, extra-small ion madtrixx and now a small 2013 mystic majestic! I've tried loose, uber tight, moderately tight, tweaking stance, riding with the kite an inch off the water just to shuffle it down, on the water constant adjustment, all the combos of loose bottom straps tight top straps and vice versa... nothing works. I'm a skinny bloke, 6'2", 73kg, with a 28-30 waist. Do I need to just suck it up and get a restrictive seat harness and live with the freestyle restrictions or is there something out there, some nugget of advice that I need to save a broken rib. I'm boosting a lot now, riding switch a lot and starting to hit waves given my new love for strapless directionals. I'm no pro, with only 3 and a half months of experience, but my kite doesn't spend excessive amount of time directly overhead unless i'm airborne.

any fresh takes on the issue?

Any help with would be fantastic. I'm currently trying to find a pair of LF styler boardshorts to try the harness touted the "perfect hybrid, a seat harness without the compromise"... they don't seem to be available in Oz yet...


Thanks all,

Ash
NickT
NickT
WA
1094 posts
WA, 1094 posts
20 Jan 2014 2:28pm
Jumping always rides a harness up, I've a majestic myself and its a good harness the hold down strap stops the spreader rotating up into your ribs.
Just get used to it, they all ride up so keep it tight and push it down when required. A waist Harness that doesn't ride up is a myth just like a board that doesn't get tip spray (unless you're lit or on a foil).
Phoney
Phoney
NSW
608 posts
NSW, 608 posts
20 Jan 2014 5:52pm
I've recently discovered the easiest way to push your harness back down is to come off your board, lie down in the water & stretch your legs out parallel with the surface of the water, then push it down with both hands. Much easier than coming back into shore.
cracknback
cracknback
NSW
56 posts
NSW, 56 posts
20 Jan 2014 11:30pm
Try one of the flying objects or ocean rodeo waist harnesses with leg straps to stop them riding.
PKC
PKC
WA
130 posts
PKC PKC
WA, 130 posts
20 Jan 2014 10:27pm
Hi, I use majestic too. Great harness... I had the same problem. In in an x small. I've started wearing an impact vest and have not had the killer rub pain since. I've got an ion vest and its padded around the chest and ribs.
Ed517
Ed517
WA
69 posts
WA, 69 posts
21 Jan 2014 3:50am
I'm 1.82m at 64kg, also a size 30ish, using a Warrior III small, after some crappy Naish harness, never have I had to stop and push the Warrior down, very good comfort for us slimmer built for speed type people.
Gorgo
Gorgo
VIC
5127 posts
VIC, 5127 posts
21 Jan 2014 11:35am
Harnesses ride up through poor technique. The only way to stop a harness riding up is to improve your technique.

Hips forward. Front leg straight. Back leg slightly bent. Arms straight. Kite mostly around 45 degrees. Look at any picture of any pro rider on any kind of board and you will see them in this position. It is the most relaxed and efficient stance and it forces the harness down onto your hips.

Don't have the harness too tight. It causes it to wedge onto your ribs when it comes up. You want it a little bit loose so that it can slide *a little* up and down and back and forth. Tighten it quite tight when it is dry and it will be fine when it is wet and the webbing softens a bit.

I would avoid seat harnesses for two reasons. The main one is they clamp the spreader too hard onto your hips. When riding toeside it acts like a giant spanner and puts a lot of torque into you lower back. The other reason is that it encourages people to ride in poo-man stance which will retard your progression and make you look like a dick.

BTW. I am 185cm and 78kg. ie. tall and thin. I am using a Mystic Majestic in L size. It's an ok harness. I don't love it yet but it works ok.
sketchy
sketchy
VIC
10 posts
VIC, 10 posts
21 Jan 2014 12:18pm
thanks for all of the input. A seat harness remains to be a last resort. I found yesterday that I may have had it too tight even when I thought it was relatively "loose". I found this out when I went out yesterday with bruised ribs from the day before and had to loosen it off a lot because of the pain and then it felt magic. It didn't get wedged on my ribs, it would come up and move straight back down again when I lowered the kite. It's a miracle.

the solution for fellow skinny kiters is that the majestic is one of the only waist harnesses that works. I have loosened other harnesses from desperation before and had it ride too high but the epic convex padding on the majestic means it can only come up so far before stopping itself, then dropping when it should be once the kite comes back down in the window. most comfortable session ever.

Thanks all, I guess despite common held belief, you can definitely over-tighten a harness, especially a majestic, the superior design allows you to run it a bit less firm than others.

Cheers!
westozwind
westozwind
WA
1419 posts
WA, 1419 posts
21 Jan 2014 9:56am
cracknback said..

Try one of the flying objects or ocean rodeo waist harnesses with leg straps to stop them riding.


I.e. A seat harness?
Trapped
Trapped
NSW
220 posts
NSW, 220 posts
4 Feb 2014 4:34pm
from the sounds of it you and i are fairly similar build.
im 6'1 and 70 odd kilos. i run a life jacket under my harness. not only for the safety bit but it also provides a bit of padding.
I know what you mean about the ribs though.
Sparky394
Sparky394
QLD
56 posts
QLD, 56 posts
4 Feb 2014 6:39pm
I always find when i where a wetsuit my harness sits much better than just wearing a rash shirt and i don't tend to get the sore ribs. I'm only reasonably new so i know my technique is far from perfect.
The impact vest is good also but i don't like wearing one if i'm on flat water as the one i bought is a bit bulky which i will change at some stage.
fingerbone
fingerbone
NSW
921 posts
NSW, 921 posts
4 Feb 2014 8:42pm
hahahah Mine is so loose I am sure one day its going to spin right around or I will boost and fall out of it..
Calvin6m
Calvin6m
WA
77 posts
WA, 77 posts
4 Feb 2014 8:52pm
i'm 14 and find i have to get my harness in the perfect position with my wetsuit top pulled down tight otherwise the harness is really uncomfortable and hurts my lower ribs, I've got a 2014 Ion Hummer Small, You have to tighten the harness on the point of you body thats the skinniest, i've only just stopped making the mistake of doing it up to low.
KIT33R
KIT33R
NSW
1716 posts
NSW, 1716 posts
5 Feb 2014 2:15pm
Been kiting 12 years. I use the Dakine Shorts with built in seat harness. Super comfy. Tried a waist harness and didn't like it.

Also, if you fly your kite too high your waist harness will ride up. Get it low and many other things will also improve.
Saffer
Saffer
VIC
4501 posts
VIC, 4501 posts
5 Feb 2014 5:51pm
sketchy said..

Hi All,

yes, the issue has been raised before but for all of my forum trawling, there hasn't been a stand-out answer.

I am so sick of ending ace sessions early from chronic rib pain and have had a small ion hummer, extra-small ion madtrixx and now a small 2013 mystic majestic! I've tried loose, uber tight, moderately tight, tweaking stance, riding with the kite an inch off the water just to shuffle it down, on the water constant adjustment, all the combos of loose bottom straps tight top straps and vice versa... nothing works. I'm a skinny bloke, 6'2", 73kg, with a 28-30 waist. Do I need to just suck it up and get a restrictive seat harness and live with the freestyle restrictions or is there something out there, some nugget of advice that I need to save a broken rib. I'm boosting a lot now, riding switch a lot and starting to hit waves given my new love for strapless directionals. I'm no pro, with only 3 and a half months of experience, but my kite doesn't spend excessive amount of time directly overhead unless i'm airborne.

any fresh takes on the issue?

Any help with would be fantastic. I'm currently trying to find a pair of LF styler boardshorts to try the harness touted the "perfect hybrid, a seat harness without the compromise"... they don't seem to be available in Oz yet...


Thanks all,

Ash


I have the same build and the same problem. You can go for something like the North Transformer which is a waist harness with legs straps, or you can try shorts harnesses like the Dakine or Ion. Shorts are not all the same, Dakine are lower and positioned more like a seat harness whereas the ion has the bar positioned higher. For surf, my guess is the ion would be better but if you still like the comfort of a waist, try the transformer.

You are welcome to try my transformer if you want to see if it solves the problem. I have both the transformer and ion, and I used a mix of both.
puppetonastring
puppetonastring
WA
3619 posts
WA, 3619 posts
5 Feb 2014 4:42pm
If you are considering a seat then try the Dakine Nitrous Shorts.
This season we have had loads of kiters switching back to seats from waists choosing this option.
Not one complaint yet.
I love mine - best harness Ive ever owned. They should call it the Naked Shorts - thats how you feel
Loftywinds
Loftywinds
QLD
2060 posts
QLD, 2060 posts
5 Feb 2014 7:02pm
I don't think having a wedgie is such a bad thing.





Andy T
Andy T
WA
325 posts
WA, 325 posts
6 Feb 2014 8:10am
Hey Puppet... Have you got these shorts in stock now? After size 28 and 30.
KIT33R
KIT33R
NSW
1716 posts
NSW, 1716 posts
7 Feb 2014 12:40pm
puppetonastring said..

If you are considering a seat then try the Dakine Nitrous Shorts.
This season we have had loads of kiters switching back to seats from waists choosing this option.
Not one complaint yet.
I love mine - best harness Ive ever owned. They should call it the Naked Shorts - thats how you feel


Couldn't agree more.
JaimeT
JaimeT
QLD
26 posts
QLD, 26 posts
7 Feb 2014 4:39pm
sketchy said..

Hi All,

yes, the issue has been raised before but for all of my forum trawling, there hasn't been a stand-out answer.

I am so sick of ending ace sessions early from chronic rib pain and have had a small ion hummer, extra-small ion madtrixx and now a small 2013 mystic majestic! I've tried loose, uber tight, moderately tight, tweaking stance, riding with the kite an inch off the water just to shuffle it down, on the water constant adjustment, all the combos of loose bottom straps tight top straps and vice versa... nothing works. I'm a skinny bloke, 6'2", 73kg, with a 28-30 waist. Do I need to just suck it up and get a restrictive seat harness and live with the freestyle restrictions or is there something out there, some nugget of advice that I need to save a broken rib. I'm boosting a lot now, riding switch a lot and starting to hit waves given my new love for strapless directionals. I'm no pro, with only 3 and a half months of experience, but my kite doesn't spend excessive amount of time directly overhead unless i'm airborne.

any fresh takes on the issue?

Any help with would be fantastic. I'm currently trying to find a pair of LF styler boardshorts to try the harness touted the "perfect hybrid, a seat harness without the compromise"... they don't seem to be available in Oz yet...


Thanks all,

Ash


I'm 6'1ish and around 74/75kg, try a Dakine ?Kingpin? extra small harness. never have any probs but make sure it's adjusted right as it becomes quite hard to adjust after a while :)
RedclffRoss
RedclffRoss
QLD
45 posts
QLD, 45 posts
8 Feb 2014 10:13am
I picked a liquid force combined vest harness about 8yrs ago now. I don't know if they make them anymore. It does ride up when lofting but is super comfy. I wear it over a wet suit too. I have gone into shops and tried heaps of other standard waist harnesses and always walk out thinking how do people wear those things. I have a seat harness that I never use due to the issues of the spreader bar and the lower pivot point tends to turn me upside down sometimes when floating in the water. I think wearing a vest or thick wetty under is your best option for avoiding bruised ribs.
GarryA
GarryA
WA
268 posts
WA, 268 posts
9 Feb 2014 11:00am
sketchy said..

Hi All,

yes, the issue has been raised before but for all of my forum trawling, there hasn't been a stand-out answer.

I am so sick of ending ace sessions early from chronic rib pain and have had a small ion hummer, extra-small ion madtrixx and now a small 2013 mystic majestic! I've tried loose, uber tight, moderately tight, tweaking stance, riding with the kite an inch off the water just to shuffle it down, on the water constant adjustment, all the combos of loose bottom straps tight top straps and vice versa... nothing works. I'm a skinny bloke, 6'2", 73kg, with a 28-30 waist. Do I need to just suck it up and get a restrictive seat harness and live with the freestyle restrictions or is there something out there, some nugget of advice that I need to save a broken rib. I'm boosting a lot now, riding switch a lot and starting to hit waves given my new love for strapless directionals. I'm no pro, with only 3 and a half months of experience, but my kite doesn't spend excessive amount of time directly overhead unless i'm airborne.

any fresh takes on the issue?

Any help with would be fantastic. I'm currently trying to find a pair of LF styler boardshorts to try the harness touted the "perfect hybrid, a seat harness without the compromise"... they don't seem to be available in Oz yet...


I wear a 1mm wetsuit skin under my rashie 2 reasons stops the harness riding up and also the crashing impact... buy 1 and try it out and also pull the stomach muscles in and tighten the waist harness as tight as possible and also maybe ur spreader bar is to big u cannot tighten ur harness enough change ur spreader bar for a smaaler 1. when u buy a mystic harness u have to specify what size spreader bar u want as a xs or s u need a smaller 1.


Thanks all,

Ash


GarryA
GarryA
WA
268 posts
WA, 268 posts
9 Feb 2014 11:01am
Loftywinds said..

I don't think having a wedgie is such a bad thing.







that wedgee is adorable ....
Kitebike
Kitebike
NSW
29 posts
NSW, 29 posts
12 Feb 2014 10:08pm
KIT33R said..

Been kiting 12 years. I use the Dakine Shorts with built in seat harness. Super comfy. Tried a waist harness and didn't like it.

Also, if you fly your kite too high your waist harness will ride up. Get it low and many other things will also improve.


I've reading. Couple of forums, that using Dakine shorts should go for a size smaller ie. if usual 34inch, get 32inch... What is your experience here?
puppetonastring
puppetonastring
WA
3619 posts
WA, 3619 posts
16 Feb 2014 12:47am
cracknback said..

Try one of the flying objects or ocean rodeo waist harnesses with leg straps to stop them riding.


They are called seat harnesses!!!
GarryA
GarryA
WA
268 posts
WA, 268 posts
18 Feb 2014 7:17pm
sketchy said...
[br]Hi All,

yes, the issue has been raised before but for all of my forum trawling, there hasn't been a stand-out answer.

I am so sick of ending ace sessions early from chronic rib pain and have had a small ion hummer, extra-small ion madtrixx and now a small 2013 mystic majestic! I've tried loose, uber tight, moderately tight, tweaking stance, riding with the kite an inch off the water just to shuffle it down, on the water constant adjustment, all the combos of loose bottom straps tight top straps and vice versa... nothing works. I'm a skinny bloke, 6'2", 73kg, with a 28-30 waist. Do I need to just suck it up and get a restrictive seat harness and live with the freestyle restrictions or is there something out there, some nugget of advice that I need to save a broken rib. I'm boosting a lot now, riding switch a lot and starting to hit waves given my new love for strapless directionals. I'm no pro, with only 3 and a half months of experience, but my kite doesn't spend excessive amount of time directly overhead unless i'm airborne.

any fresh takes on the issue?

Any help with would be fantastic. I'm currently trying to find a pair of LF styler boardshorts to try the harness touted the "perfect hybrid, a seat harness without the compromise"... they don't seem to be available in Oz yet...


Thanks all,

Ash

still using an old mystic firestarter but have heard from smaller guys that they also use a compresion vest under the rashy for the ribs.... me I have plenty of padding so no soare ribs here, but wear a np 1mm vest under the rashy helps the sliding f the harness.


Plummet
Plummet
4862 posts
4862 posts
18 Feb 2014 9:50pm
Lean way the hell back (back a few inches from the water) and ride the kite super low. that will pull the harness back down! plys it looks cool.
Greggor
Greggor
QLD
191 posts
QLD, 191 posts
19 Feb 2014 9:22am
Kitebike said..


KIT33R said..

Been kiting 12 years. I use the Dakine Shorts with built in seat harness. Super comfy. Tried a waist harness and didn't like it.

Also, if you fly your kite too high your waist harness will ride up. Get it low and many other things will also improve.



I've reading. Couple of forums, that using Dakine shorts should go for a size smaller ie. if usual 34inch, get 32inch... What is your experience here?


Im a 32 in normal pants and i got a 32 in Dakine shorts, fits perfectly
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