A bigger trainer kite?

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Beaglebuddy
Beaglebuddy
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1595 posts
19 Oct 2013 3:12pm
I have this little used Naish 1.2M kite I bought for $30, the problem is with only two lines I need someone to help launch and relaunch.
Now I see the value in 3 lines. Mrs. Beaglebuddy isn't always around or keen to help.
I'm getting the hang of this thing pretty well but I feel I would like a bigger kite to practice with to closer replicate real kiting and to be able to launch myself.
I think 4 lines so I can harness in with my windsurfing harness.
I was thinking perhaps just buy a used 4 or 5M kite with bar and attach the back of my harness to a metal bench that's concreted into the ground at the park so I don't get launched.
The winds are fairly light, 5-10 knots. Of course I plan on lessons once I get past this stage.
Is this a crazy ill conceived idea?
puppetonastring
puppetonastring
WA
3619 posts
WA, 3619 posts
19 Oct 2013 3:43pm
Dont want to appear to be a pimp - but if it quacks !!
Ocean Rodeo make a sweet little 3.5 trainer with the full 4 line depower bar etc.
Wish we could afford to loan these little rippers out to our pre-lesson students but at $350 ea they are a bit exy for free loaners.
They give you the full picture for learning & make a great landboard option.
Efilnikufesin
Efilnikufesin
QLD
135 posts
QLD, 135 posts
21 Oct 2013 5:45pm
try a shallow beach area if you have access to one if you get a bigger kite , and practice out in knee deep water , that way when you inevitably get dragged its a much softer landing , just remember to pull the safety if the kite doesn't crash .definitely get lessons it will save you some pain
Kazan
Kazan
QLD
699 posts
QLD, 699 posts
21 Oct 2013 9:09pm
I've had several teainer kites and by far the best one and value for money was the Ozone Pimps or Octanes. They range up to 5mtr2 and have full on control bar with chicken loop to hook onto your harness. They come in 2 line or 4 line variety with full depower if need be as well. Very safe and easy to fly in anything under 20 knots (min 5). Being fixed bridle kites they are also very forgiving in gusty days and hold enough power to pull you on a buggy which is why they are popular with the kite traction community. I used the Octane for a year with my land kiting and it really taught me about kt control, balance, and power control. Highly recommended.
Beaglebuddy
Beaglebuddy
1595 posts
1595 posts
22 Oct 2013 4:05pm
I suppose what I'm really asking is after I've mastered the tiny 2 line trainer should I get an in between size kite to continue dry land training on or should I step right into lessons on the water with a kite capable of getting me up on a board?
Gilly3
Gilly3
QLD
800 posts
QLD, 800 posts
22 Oct 2013 6:36pm
Beaglebuddy said..

I suppose what I'm really asking is after I've mastered the tiny 2 line trainer should I get an in between size kite to continue dry land training on?


No

Beaglebuddy said..

should I step right into lessons on the water with a kite capable of getting me up on a board?


Yes
kitcho207
kitcho207
NSW
865 posts
NSW, 865 posts
22 Oct 2013 9:34pm
My traner kyt woz a 13 meetr fuool in wyntr frontal gust condishons.

I turnd oot fyne.
Beaglebuddy
Beaglebuddy
1595 posts
1595 posts
23 Oct 2013 4:52am
My main concern is safety, I'm a 50 year old windsurfer, I'm fit but not as durable anymore Getting seriously hurt is not an option.
The winds are light and sideshore, conditions near perfect for kiteboarding, usually not enough wind for windsurfing.
Paranoia about getting hurt has kept me from kiting until now but I've finally had enough of the lack of appropriate windsurfing conditions.
bigtone667
bigtone667
NSW
1559 posts
NSW, 1559 posts
23 Oct 2013 8:12am
Beaglebuddy said..

My main concern is safety, I'm a 50 year old windsurfer, I'm fit but not as durable anymore Getting seriously hurt is not an option.
The winds are light and sideshore, conditions near perfect for kiteboarding, usually not enough wind for windsurfing.
Paranoia about getting hurt has kept me from kiting until now but I've finally had enough of the lack of appropriate windsurfing conditions.


Hi Beaglebuddy, I have certainly been dragged about by a kite a number of times in an uncontrolled manner when I first started (cause you have a tendency to grab things tightly when you panic!!), but I have certainly been punished more times on a windsurfer.

I am 50 in March and one of my great disappoints in life is I didn't know about kiting earlier. I am doing everything I can now to make up for it!!!!!
My advice is to get some good lessons on kiting safety, a fat surfboard and then go for it. Being tea-bagged around the ocean is almost as much fun as getting up on the board.
bigtone667
bigtone667
NSW
1559 posts
NSW, 1559 posts
23 Oct 2013 8:17am
Beaglebuddy said..

I have this little used Naish 1.2M kite I bought for $30, the problem is with only two lines I need someone to help launch and relaunch.
Now I see the value in 3 lines. Mrs. Beaglebuddy isn't always around or keen to help.
I'm getting the hang of this thing pretty well but I feel I would like a bigger kite to practice with to closer replicate real kiting and to be able to launch myself.
I think 4 lines so I can harness in with my windsurfing harness.
I was thinking perhaps just buy a used 4 or 5M kite with bar and attach the back of my harness to a metal bench that's concreted into the ground at the park so I don't get launched.
The winds are fairly light, 5-10 knots. Of course I plan on lessons once I get past this stage.
Is this a crazy ill conceived idea?


If you can get a full four line kite with a proper bar/harness that is small (3 metre to 4 metre), do it. Much better than a two or three line trainer kite.
I picked up 4 metre cabrinha switchblade with bar and lines for $400 for wife to learn with. Just make sure the learning occurs in the water (much softer than land).
Lambie
Lambie
QLD
742 posts
QLD, 742 posts
23 Oct 2013 7:25pm
I agree with all of the above comments about foil trainers and small LEI kites for learning BUT- ultimately the kite is king and it will spank ur ass if you aren't the master at all times.
Foil trainers help you to understand the wind window and the bar inputs to place the kite where you want it - Ive been kiting for 4 years and still play with the Ozone imp I bought years ago with the kids on the beach when the wing is light- its fun to aim for precision flying - like pin pint precision in terms of flying figure 8's, boxes, looping etc etc. Lots of people say they can fly a trainer but really cant fly it intuitively - like take it to 12 and dive it to the ground and at the last minute call which side they are going to pull it out to - and do it consistently!!
I reckon once you have the trainer seriously mastered there is little point mucking around with tiny / small LEI kites - simply jump onto the correct size of LEI kite for the wind and your weight and lean on your instructor to help you QUICKLY convert - its not like its rocket science!
Beaglebuddy
Beaglebuddy
1595 posts
1595 posts
24 Oct 2013 4:26am
What about the idea of strapping my harness to an anchor while on dry land?
WeirdEd
WeirdEd
VIC
268 posts
VIC, 268 posts
24 Oct 2013 9:03am
Not practical. Go talk to the local mafia guy and get him to custom make you some cement shoes.
gremlin12
gremlin12
NSW
41 posts
NSW, 41 posts
24 Oct 2013 9:45am
Beaglebuddy
Spend the time/money having a lesson it will quickly bridge the gap between trainer & larger kites.
As well as teaching you the a lot about handling larger kites and the safety systems involved.
Otherwise you will spend more on kites that you won't use that often.
Rather learn, then invest in a kite that suits you so will use it all the time.
SpawnofFossl
SpawnofFossl
SA
116 posts
SA, 116 posts
24 Oct 2013 4:21pm
I sincerely suggest not tethering to anything as it always goes bad. I had my father teaching me by holding on to my harness with the handle at the back and the force of the gust was so strong it ripped the harness in half and launched me. Landed in seaweed with only a few bruises but could have been much worse. We learnt the hard way so you don't have to :)


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