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Hopey
Hopey
QLD
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QLD, 178 posts
15 Nov 2010 7:08pm
Hello all

Great community and forum you have here, I have spent many hours reading and hopefully gathering a little knowledge. So finally after wanting to try kiteboarding for a few years now, i've booked my lessons and ready to give it a go. Although the wind doesnt seem to be playing the game this week, but hopefully I'll be up the Sunny coast in the next few days learning the basics.

Just seeking some advice on the best kit to purchase?
I come from a waterskiing background, and have a few years wakeboarding under my belt, and play a little on a wakeskate when the waters rough and no good for slalom or barefooting :-) I also bought myself a Slingshot B2 training kite about 3-4 years ago, which I have been flying semi regularly, and pretty much have that down pat and can fly it one hand and without looking at the kite.

I'm over 6ft, approx 110-115kgs, and live in Brissy, so generally my kiting will be brisbane based or Sunny / Gold coasts, or on the lake where I ski on those real windy days!

I'm leaning towards a Cabrinha Switchblade 12m, but not sure.
As for the board, no idea, im assuming a twin tip, but not sure of a make or size.
Any advice, comments would be appreciated. Obviously a comprimise is needed here, as I dont want to be upgrading kit to soon, but also dont want to be hindering my learning with gear that is not suited. I'm sure i'll get some sound advice from both the instructor and the kite shop (at least I assume I will) but thought I would throw it out to the masses as well.

Thanks in advance
p.s Also if there's any other newbies out there in the local area, looking for kite buddies, get in touch. If all goes well I'll be heading out this weekend somewhere!
SurfConnect
SurfConnect
QLD
1674 posts
QLD, 1674 posts
15 Nov 2010 9:26pm
We have pre-Christmas sale on right now -

Choose from any of our 11 brands:

Package 1: Buy any 2010 brand new kite of any size any brand we have in stock for $2000, and we will throw in a brand new board, brand new harness and a 6 hours lesson package for free. Retail value upto $4000 - HALF PRICE! Package comes with everything you need to go kitesurfing! You do not need to buy anything else. We sold 12 packages on the weekend, only a few left! Act quick before it's all gone!

Package 2: Buy any 2009 brand new kite of any size any brand we have in stock for $1600, and we will throw in a brand new board, brand new harness and a 6 hours lesson package for free. Retail value upto $4000 - 60% off! Package comes with everything you need to go kitesurfing! You do not need to buy anything else.

Package 3: Same as above except on demo gear, 2010 range, for $1600, also comes with 6 hours free lesson.

Package 4: Same as above except on used gear, 2009 range, for $1350, also comes with 6 hours free lesson.

Package 5: Same as above except on used gear, 2008 range, for $1200, also comes with 6 hours free lesson.

Live in other States? This package will be perfect excuse to take a break up to Brisbane. It will still save you heaps. We will pick you up from the airport, we have accommodation right on the water where you have your lessons, and can provide all meals too!
iankite
iankite
VIC
47 posts
VIC, 47 posts
15 Nov 2010 11:17pm
which brands you hold?
SurfConnect
SurfConnect
QLD
1674 posts
QLD, 1674 posts
16 Nov 2010 9:19am
They are all listed at our site (click on the sponsored link on the left here). The brands we have at our shop right now are: Liquid Force, Best, Wainman, Blade, Takoon, Starkites, Flysurfer, Crazyfly, Nobile, Sensai & Gaastra are the ones we still have stock of. We have sizes from 3m inflatables, to our biggest 28m! We can also source you whatever brands you need if required. PM if you need more info.
Paradox
Paradox
QLD
1326 posts
QLD, 1326 posts
16 Nov 2010 2:17pm
Hopey,

Your question is a bit broad. There are so many choices and no one can really narrow them down for you. The only real advice I can give is that a 12m Switchy would be OK as a first kite. So would many others.

Speak to your instuctor when getting lessons. That is a first start. Feel free to post any potential buys you are looking at here for specific suitability advice. I would definately recommend going second hand to start with and then upgrade after your first season when you know what you want and can demo.

The only other thing - is don't convince yourself that because your a big guy you need a huge kite. A 12m will do you well here, provided it is the right type and has a bit of grunt - which most beginner kites do. The right board is just as important.

Welcome to the sport and a lifelong obsession.....
Hopey
Hopey
QLD
178 posts
QLD, 178 posts
17 Nov 2010 1:45pm
So many types of kites and makes, it seems everyone has their own opinion on which way to go . Have 6hrs of lessons booked, hopefully the 1st session later this arvo if the wind picks up.....just waiting on a call from the instructor!
Will get through the lessons, then start to think about a kite. Most likely come down to the brands and models availalbe through the shop where the lessons have been boooked (Kite Action) as cost of lessons will be taken of the price of new gear or a deal worked out on 2nd hand gear. At this stage I dont really care, I just want to get out there and start DOING IT!!!!

I was wondering though, reading the forums why it is that some kiters have a negative opinion of Cabrinha, and particularly the SB's?
djdojo
djdojo
VIC
1614 posts
VIC, 1614 posts
17 Nov 2010 2:55pm
Lots of tools with board leashes, no skills and bad attitudes ride cabs and often put them in trees but lots of skilled kiters ride them too. There are more negative instances with cabs than other brands simply because there are a lot more cabs, especially switchblades out there. Of course the negative incidents get the publicity. Nobody ever says, "oh, did you see that guy on his switchblade, he just pumped up, launched in the designated area and kited skilfully and respectfully for two hours before packing up and going home." It happens, you just don't hear it.

Don't listen to the haters. SBs are a superb allround kite.
Paradox
Paradox
QLD
1326 posts
QLD, 1326 posts
17 Nov 2010 3:34pm
Asking which kite is best here is like asking an AFL forum which team is the best....you are not going to get a helpful answer....and Cabrinhas are like Collingwood, heavily slagged by those that don't follow them, but not necessarily better or worse on a given day than any other.....

Apart from that tree magnet Cab install in the LE.....sorry, sorry, didn't mean that...habit

The biggest issue is that few people have tried more than a couple of brands/models of kite, so most opinions are pretty subjective and biased. 80% of the people who slag Cabrinah wouldn't have even flown one (like me), just as 80% of the people who espound the virtues of a particular kite would have flown only a few others.

The thing is most leading manufacturers create kites that for all intents and purposes are pretty similar. All have a range with good beginner kites in them. Check the websites of Slingshot, North, Airush, Ozone, Niash, Liquid Force, Best (and more I am sure). They are all leading brands in Oz and all have entry kites that perform pretty much the same as the Switchblade.

Therefore it all comes down to

what deal you get on the day
what the local shops are selling
what is available second hand (if going down that path)
what the local lads are flying

Do however make sure you do not get a kite that is not suited for learning on. That is where advice here is important - that and maybe size questions. You will quickly get meaningful replys to a kite that is clearly going to be a problem for you. All else is rabble

Hope that helps
Hopey
Hopey
QLD
178 posts
QLD, 178 posts
17 Nov 2010 8:33pm
Thanks for the comments Paradox & djdojo, it all helps and I'm picking up what your putting down...so to speak

So got the call today from the instructor just after lunch and I was out the door of the office in a flash and heading to the Sunny Coast for lesson #1. Seabreeze was only showing 10-15 knots, but what did I care, assumed it didnt matter too much for a 1st lesson. Anyway, I'm stoked, moved pretty quickly through the set up, safety and launching, out there getting a feel for the kite and how it behaved, soon after was doing a few start moves (from sitting position, turnong the kite and getting pulled up and sliding on my feet). Then into some body dragging for a while, next thing he throws a board at me and says your ready to give it a crack! Spent 45 mins or so doing water starts, getting up in both directions, traveling 5, 10, 15 maybe 20+ meters in some cases before stacking it or loosing power and sinking again. Winds were light and was using a 10m cab sb and a LF 136 board, so pretty happy to get up at all. Higher winds predicted tomorrow arvo, and step up to a 12m and hopefully a slightly bigger board. Might make it a little easier getting my 115kg up and moving. Bring on lesson #2
Paradox
Paradox
QLD
1326 posts
QLD, 1326 posts
18 Nov 2010 5:22pm
Share the stoke Hopey

Great effort for first day - welcome to the fold..
NSW, 4382 posts
21 Nov 2010 11:13pm
Hopey said...

Thanks for the comments Paradox & djdojo, it all helps and I'm picking up what your putting down...so to speak

So got the call today from the instructor just after lunch and I was out the door of the office in a flash and heading to the Sunny Coast for lesson #1. Seabreeze was only showing 10-15 knots, but what did I care, assumed it didnt matter too much for a 1st lesson. Anyway, I'm stoked, moved pretty quickly through the set up, safety and launching, out there getting a feel for the kite and how it behaved, soon after was doing a few start moves (from sitting position, turnong the kite and getting pulled up and sliding on my feet). Then into some body dragging for a while, next thing he throws a board at me and says your ready to give it a crack! Spent 45 mins or so doing water starts, getting up in both directions, traveling 5, 10, 15 maybe 20+ meters in some cases before stacking it or loosing power and sinking again. Winds were light and was using a 10m cab sb and a LF 136 board, so pretty happy to get up at all. Higher winds predicted tomorrow arvo, and step up to a 12m and hopefully a slightly bigger board. Might make it a little easier getting my 115kg up and moving. Bring on lesson #2


Please don't get a 12M SB, get a 14M!!!
A 12M will be too small, seriously.
Get a board around 1.40 - 1.50 too, do not get anything smaller for the first season.
Last years Cab Prodigy 1.47 would be ideal.

Hopey
Hopey
QLD
178 posts
QLD, 178 posts
22 Nov 2010 1:04pm
Still not sure on kite size?

I have purchased a board already 2010 Sligshot SX 143cm and decided to go with a Cab SB kite, but still getting differing recommendations on kite size.
12m or 14m??

Any bigger riders (+100kg) out there offer their opinion?

neilw
neilw
WA
134 posts
WA, 134 posts
22 Nov 2010 12:47pm
Hopey, i am the same height and weight as you and seriously, you won't get much time on a 12. It will have to be 25 to 30 knots to ride comfortably. Less than that and it will be frustrating. I ride a 15m in up to 25 knots and go to a 12m after that. Go with the 14m. Cheers
NSW, 4382 posts
22 Nov 2010 8:28pm
Hopey said...

Still not sure on kite size?

I have purchased a board already 2010 Sligshot SX 143cm and decided to go with a Cab SB kite, but still getting differing recommendations on kite size.
12m or 14m??

Any bigger riders (+100kg) out there offer their opinion?




That board will be ok, but because of its shape (narrower tips) it will mean you will require good power to ride upwind, positive side of it is that it carves quite well and they are good in waves (for a TT).
http://www.kitepower.com.au/catalog/product_17587_New_Used__Ex_Demo_Kites__Queensland_cat_345.html

There are some good kites there, the 13.5 Core would be a good kite, so would the 17M Zephyr, otherwise just get a 14M SB or something similar.
One of my friends is 105-110kg and he rides the Zephyr from 15-17 knots to 25-30 knots, on an Underground Stella 1.46 x 46

RichardM
RichardM
QLD
58 posts
QLD, 58 posts
22 Nov 2010 11:30pm
Hopey said...

Still not sure on kite size?

I have purchased a board already 2010 Sligshot SX 143cm and decided to go with a Cab SB kite, but still getting differing recommendations on kite size.
12m or 14m??

Any bigger riders (+100kg) out there offer their opinion?



Hopey I have two kites in my quiver
12mBandit 4 which i can ride at 12-25 knts using 2 boards
My lite wind board is a 140-44 Nobile T5 once it hits 17knts I can switch to my 134-42 Nobile NHP
I also have a 9m North Rebel for 20knts + which I use the NHP with.

I Kite at Redcliffe/sandgate area and Tip the scales at 105-110kg depending on how many beers are consumed prior to standing on scales.

Call down to Brighton/Beach and talk to a few big fellas down there thats what I did.
Cheers
Richard
Brisbane Kite Club
Hopey
Hopey
QLD
178 posts
QLD, 178 posts
23 Nov 2010 12:33pm
Richard

Thanks for the feedback, will drop down to Brighton when I get a chance and see who's about to have a chat. I was down at Sandgate on Saturday morning around 9:30am, but it must have been a bit early and the tide was high (no beach) and there was only 2 kiters out there. I assisted with a launch, then went over to Kitepower for a look and then up to Caloundra.

Cheers
Paradox
Paradox
QLD
1326 posts
QLD, 1326 posts
30 Nov 2010 2:16pm
neilw said...

....It will have to be 25 to 30 knots to ride comfortably...... I ride a 15m in up to 25 knots and go to a 12m after that. Go with the 14m.


wow, SB's must have a lot less power than I thought. I push 100kg's and am well powered on my Vapor III 12m at 15kts and on a 138 x-pact. VapIII's are hybrids and are not considered particularly good low end kites, they gain power from speed.

Based on that I would perhaps not recommend a SB then. Personally I would take note of RichardM's strategy and go with a grunty 12 and a larger light wind board.

I will caveat my recommendation with the fact that I hate big kites....passionately. They are slow, slow, slow, slow. Give me a larger board anyday over a larger kite....

jas73
jas73
QLD
796 posts
QLD, 796 posts
30 Nov 2010 11:11pm
How close to 100kg are you. I ride a 12m kite, i am 84kg but wouldnt say im pushing towards 100. It dosent matter what brand of kite you are riding. A 110 to 115kg guy wont have much fun kiting in 15 knots on a 12m unless they are on a sup. Not that i ride one but Switchblades come in a big range of sizes. Best to look out for some demo days around and about.
Paradox said...

neilw said...

....It will have to be 25 to 30 knots to ride comfortably...... I ride a 15m in up to 25 knots and go to a 12m after that. Go with the 14m.


wow, SB's must have a lot less power than I thought. I push 100kg's and am well powered on my Vapor III 12m at 15kts and on a 138 x-pact. VapIII's are hybrids and are not considered particularly good low end kites, they gain power from speed.

Based on that I would perhaps not recommend a SB then. Personally I would take note of RichardM's strategy and go with a grunty 12 and a larger light wind board.

I will caveat my recommendation with the fact that I hate big kites....passionately. They are slow, slow, slow, slow. Give me a larger board anyday over a larger kite....




Paradox
Paradox
QLD
1326 posts
QLD, 1326 posts
1 Dec 2010 1:18pm
jas73 said...

How close to 100kg are you.


I would probably crack the ton wet.... and have a mate that would be 110kg and happy enough on a 12 at 15kts, although admittedly he would have an appropriate light wind board. You would be surprised what a dedicated light wind board can do, and it does not have to be a canoe...

I firmly believe that these days increasing kite size at the lower end has very diminishing returns, especially for heavier riders. Changing the board is the key. It's not like anyone is going to be boosting to the moon under 15kts.

My 110kg mate regularly is out in 10kts, but the 13m lithium LW is his largest kite.

That said - Hopey, a 14 will do you fine as well. You can make up your own mind on lower end kiting once you are more proficient.
RichardM
RichardM
QLD
58 posts
QLD, 58 posts
1 Dec 2010 4:37pm
Paradox said...

jas73 said...

How close to 100kg are you.


I would probably crack the ton wet.... and have a mate that would be 110kg and happy enough on a 12 at 15kts, although admittedly he would have an appropriate light wind board. You would be surprised what a dedicated light wind board can do, and it does not have to be a canoe...

I firmly believe that these days increasing kite size at the lower end has very diminishing returns, especially for heavier riders. Changing the board is the key. It's not like anyone is going to be boosting to the moon under 15kts.

My 110kg mate regularly is out in 10kts, but the 13m lithium LW is his largest kite.

That said - Hopey, a 14 will do you fine as well. You can make up your own mind on lower end kiting once you are more proficient.


To all the larger boned gents out there do yourself a favor and demo the new Nobile Flying Carpet. "
Briskites has a Demo.
It is Nobile's dedicated lightwind board measuring up at 160 x 46cm. It doesn't feel that much larger than my previous T555 140x44.
It trucks upwind and feels like riding a Mal during a free ride session.
Was up and going in sub 15, 10-12knts and staying upwind 12m B4.

Down side = 18knts
Man Grab some depower and hold on, fun for a short rise in conditions but wears you out after a while.

Mine turns up friday
michaelca10
michaelca10
26 posts
26 posts
4 Dec 2010 6:56am
Hopefully this helps, I am starting my third season and weigh in around the 115 kg mark.

Primary kite is a 2011 North Rebel 14, awesome kite and more powerful and forgiving than the 14 Gin I learned on.

Secondary kite is a 10m Royal Era, which I have had out from about 25 thru to 35 knots.

I recently purchased a Nobile Flying Carpet which gets me out in as little as 13 knots with my 14.

The board I use most of the time from 17 knots up is my 135*44 Nobile 666

I am waiting on a 10m North Rebel to replace my Era.

Hope this helps.
Hopey
Hopey
QLD
178 posts
QLD, 178 posts
10 Dec 2010 11:27am
Thanks for all the feedback guys.
As i expected a few differing opinions on whether the 14m or the 12m.
I discussed this with my instructor and kite shop and they were pretty adamant that the 12m SB would be the go, so taking their advice that is what I decided to go with.
Been waiting a couple of weeks now for it to arrive....can you believe they could only locate 1 kite in the colour I wanted (003 black / blue) in Australia, finally arrived from Adelaide today!
I'll get a few sessions under my belt and then will know if I have made the right decision. Probably see myself getting a dedicated light wind board in the very near future to maximise my time on the water.
Anyway....looks like a bit of a breeze this arvo down at Sandgate / Brighton, so be looking to leave the office early, pick up the new kite and get out there for my 1st solo session
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