Hi Ashkiter,

To assist in rotating, carve up wind hard, prior to your release off the water
To prevent overflying the kite keep your hands in the middle of the bar, and don't pull the control bar towards you.

Hope this helps. Goodluck

KR

[b]toddws said...
ps all the guides say this trick is best learnt in 15-20 knot winds with 10-12m kites, ie steady, medium strength wind with larger kites that as less sensitive to accidental steering input.
Keep practising ashkiter
cheers todd

MMM Im trying it in 20-25 knots - thats a little of the trouble right there. Im getting the carve upwind but not spotting the landing.

It sounds like you don't get the lift from the pop, so you rely on the lift of the kite too much, therefore you hang onto the bar instead of doing the roll. In 20-25 knots you may find some chops to take off from. That would eliminate the need for you to pull the bar at all, or rely on the power of the kite too much. Just turn your eye the way you want to land, and your body will follow....effortless effort....

Whilst looking over your shoulder, spot the water and pull on your front hand. That should stop you rotating and help you to land.

Sounds similar to the problem I was having when first attempting back rolls. I was unknowingly pulling more on my back hand which was sending the kite rapidly into the power zone in the opposite direction to where I was headed. (Although my hands where in the middle of the bar) I corrected this by pulling a bit of pressure on the ‘forward’ hand about mid roll. i.e. If you’re riding left foot forward when initiating the trick, then your ‘front’ hand is your left hand.

With your kit a 11-12 you arent really going to be able to do a back roll or a flip as the angle the kite is pulling is wrong you need to have the kite at 60 deg or less for this, allso with the kite high i would think it would be hard to carry good speed and achieve good pop. I can only assume that if you do have good speed that you are actually flying your kite lower and then taking it up to do the roll which means the kite will be all ready moving and more prone to wander when doing the trick.

The position of the kite that you are using is only going to be good for spinning so dont edge and pop as hard as this wont help, find a bit of a wave and carve up it but not with a hard edge and when you release pull in on your bar to get lift with the kite to do the spin bring your knees up to spin faster and spot your landing and pull on your front hand to redirect the kite to land with some speed.

If you want to do a back roll start with good speed kite at less than 60 deg around the 10.30 mark , go down wind a bit to let the kite drop back in the window a little then edge back upwind as far and hard as you can while looking over your back sholder when you release from the water you will allready be half way around spot your landing and ride away down wind a little.

Keep practicing, keep your hands in close to the middle of the bar, and use the power of the kite dont be scared of it to much depower and it makes it a lot harder and you are more likely to try and pull yourself around on the bar and redirect the kite.

Hi Ashkiter,

Sorry to hear you're having difficulties. Which trick are you trying to learn? On my site I have :-

Back Rolls
Tantrum (hooked)
Toeside Back Flip

Let me know which trick you are trying to master and I'll analyse if I can.

Cheers,

KH

I remember my first attempt at a backroll a few years back.
I commited way too hard,ended up spinning around about 5 times while pulling hard on my back hand sending the kite into a loop.

Spinning around 5 times then flying through the air backwards head first getting totally smashed........gee I love this sport[}:)]

Try it off a small wave or bit of chop first,will give you a bit more air and time to spot the landing.

After rotating,straightening your legs out will help slow down your spin so you dont over rotate, but be ready to bend them on landing to absorbe the impact if your comming down hard and fast.

Hey Ash,

No need to pay for a lesson, just come and see me and If I'm not busy, I'll spend 20 minutes with you and we'll sort it out. I should have access to a spare helmet and radio which should see the results in a matter of a few attempts.

Cheers mate,

KH

Kitehard said...

Hey Ash,

No need to pay for a lesson, just come and see me and If I'm not busy, I'll spend 20 minutes with you and we'll sort it out. I should have access to a spare helmet and radio which should see the results in a matter of a few attempts.

Cheers mate,

KH

Sweet - May see you Sunday if the wind picks up a little.