Best Kite - Large Man

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TroyB
TroyB
2 posts
2 posts
1 Sep 2015 4:27pm
I'm sure this has been asked a thousand times before, but I couldn't find it - please don't flame me =/

As I'm sure is typical of these "newbie" threads, I'm looking for the best trainer kite that can generate the most pull for me (6'5"). I've googled until I'm blue in the face and can't find hardly anything on kites for larger guys. So far, it looks like my best option is some kind of 6m, but no one can recommend a specific kite.

Does anyone have any specific kite recommendations for me? I'm not really worried about getting pulled away, and would rather have a stronger kite that creates more interest for me rather than a weaker kite that makes me feel like i'm "flying a kite".

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated since there does not appear to be much on the net!

Thanks!
weebitbreezy
weebitbreezy
635 posts
635 posts
1 Sep 2015 4:56pm
Assuming you are simply tall, I would have thought just one size larger should be best. I have a mate who is 6'4". He rides a 13 when we shorter mortals are on 12m. Personally I like North Kites. The rebel gives you a good solid pull. Easy to fly and good for progression. North bars are adjustable for reach which is mighty useful if you have longer arms than normal.

Plenty of other kites would be similar. I think the Cabrinha Switchblade would be pretty good as well. The reviews are pretty good - plenty of low down pull. But I'd say a North Rebel is a better bet........ for no other\better reason than I prefer the bar feel of North kites

For tall and heavy, the locals here all go towards the Zepher. Other people talk about it as a light wind kite but I tend to see it used as a regular kite (12m wind range) by the heavy guys.

mazdon
mazdon
1199 posts
1199 posts
1 Sep 2015 5:27pm
^^i think he's after a trainer kite bud

Hey mate, trainer sizing smaller doesn't really matter as it is about learning the wind window, flying skills etc. I'd go one of the ones that has the proper bar and lines, depower etc, 2-4m. Ozone probably with the best one, but store guys will know better.

Getting a 6 is fine if you are thinking that it will be useful as a high wind kite later on, but looping it, hard fly it in gusts etc at 20kn+ and it could still get you hurt on land

My tip is a 2m trainer with proper bar and lines etc of you're set on it, but probably more effective will be those first lessons with a good instructor and then a few dozen hours body dragging on a full size kite out in the water. Good luck

Oh and the tips above on full size kites are good stuff from weebit
NickT
NickT
WA
1094 posts
WA, 1094 posts
1 Sep 2015 5:31pm
I've seen 100kg dudes put on their arse with a 2m trainer kite.
It's about driving it through the wind window to generate power.

Don't get to hung up on trainers though, they're purely about learning the basics of kite control and the wind window. I used a $20 two line stunt kite to learn, but some people still say i lack kite control
fingerbone
fingerbone
NSW
921 posts
NSW, 921 posts
1 Sep 2015 9:43pm
I used a trainer for a while then bought a piece of crap $200 6m kite to get to feel the way a LEI is supposed to feel.Worth every cent. Had fun getting dragged around the sand with that.
1950
1950
71 posts
71 posts
2 Sep 2015 1:52am
fingerbone said..
I used a trainer for a while then bought a piece of crap $200 6m kite to get to feel the way a LEI is supposed to feel.Worth every cent. Had fun getting dragged around the sand with that.


Me too, just skipped this "trainer" thing. If you ever flew kids kite, and you have at least basic common sense about wind and kite you should be able to fly quite safely some 6m/7m LEI depower kite just by watching few "how to" videos. 15kts is limit here. In these kind of situation, no matter what you do with small LEI if you let bar out and sit hard on your arse you should be able to survive loop or full dive through middle of power zone. Kite will drag you few meters, remember to let bar out so kite can rush to edge of wind window.

Be aware, you can destroy it just by hitting ground once at high speed. If you smash it just once properly on ground, it will break apart 100%

I bought used old $200 7m LEI (F-one Bandit) to do this and now i use it as my high wind kite. That's not best option to use as storm kite as it can break down anytime, but i don't care as i will not do massive air's and loops with it. Just ride it in high wind, so if it break anytime or i do some stupid thing with it - no damage.
TroyB
TroyB
2 posts
2 posts
2 Sep 2015 11:24am
So it sounds like the concensus is to skip the trainer kite and go for a 6m+ lei.

Does anyone have any recommendations for a decent 6m lei that won't break the bank?

It would also be nice if it was sturdy enough to not implode after a crash, but I may be asking too much lol
KiteBud
KiteBud
WA
1615 posts
WA, 1615 posts
2 Sep 2015 2:23pm
Hi TroyB

It's nice to see your enthusiasm to learn the sport.

Choosing to fly a trainer kite first is a great way to get started by yourself and learn a few basics, which only takes a few minutes. However being well powered on a trainer kite should not be the goal here... as a matter of fact you should avoid strong winds with a trainer kite for obvious safety reasons.

Self taught newbies who spend too many hours on a trainer kite without any coaching/supervison eventually develop bad and dangerous habits that are hard to break once you move on to a real inflatable kite much larger in size.

Buying a cheap small inflatable kite and learning to fly it by yourself isn't the best idea either. You will need more than 18 knots to fly a 6m kite comfortably and in more than 20 knots no matter how big you are you can easily hurt yourself even with a small kite. They move fast and hitting the power zone with will send you off your feet. This is not only dangerous for you but also others around you.

The most dangerous place to fly a kite is on the land/beach. Therefore the only safe way to do this by yourself is to have light to moderate winds (10-18knots) with an UNDERPOWERED small trainer kite such as an ozone IMP 2.5m or 3.5m if the wind is always light where you live

For the cost of a decent 6m kite with bar you will easily cover the cost of most if not ALL of your lessons. For a heavy guy like yourself a 6m kite would be fairly useless on the water, unless later down the track you want to go out in nuking 35 knots + winds.

A much better way to get started is to watch the beginner progression DVD and then book a first lesson.

Every season self taught beginners and mates teaching mates show up on crowded beaches. Needless to say they are the main cause of accidents on the beach.

On a windy day go talk to locals at your kite spot, help them launch and land their kites. Watch them setup. Ask them about lessons and who they recommend you get lessons from. Some schools and instructors don't offer much more quality than an experienced kiter who decides to teach you so you need to spend some time and do your reasearch when shopping for quality tuition.

Stay safe

Christian
VRBones
VRBones
130 posts
130 posts
2 Sep 2015 3:07pm
2m trainer kites are plenty of fun, and will give enough pull to get the adrenaline flowing. 4 line kites are ideal if you want to have fun by yourself as they are way easier to land / recover from crashes. I'd also recommend a bar as the skills are a little more transferable to kite + harness (I went the std traction kite handles and it's more controllable but starts to become its own technique).

As you get better you'll need stronger and stronger wind for the adrenaline to kick in, so eventually you'll be pining for a bigger kite. That said I put in over 50 hours on my little trainer before moving up, and an additional 20h after that in 30+Kn days and mucking around on the beach with others. After getting my kiting gear I also now appreciate the short setup time for trainers too. It's literally just pull it out of the bag, sand on the trailing edge, wind out lines, fly. I've certainly got my money's worth from it and still expect it to be useful in the future.

Because of the adrenaline falloff I doubt there's an "ideal" size of trainer kite to start off with. Bigger than 2m means you just pay more for surface area and increase the risk of getting in trouble. Here's some jumps and sand skating in around 20Kn winds. I was about 85Kg back then:

kiteman69
kiteman69
QLD
97 posts
QLD, 97 posts
2 Sep 2015 6:00pm
Sounds like your a big enough dude.

Just get a 14m take it out in 15kts and learn. Don't sook around with a 6m or what ever.

This is the way I learned and all me mates learned.

Don't be stupid and take it out in 20kts or more to start with. You should be up and going in about 2hrs.
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