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nocrack
nocrack
VIC
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VIC, 17 posts
20 Apr 2016 4:16pm
Hi tehre,

I'm getting my feets freezing cold and was wondering what is the best option for this. I used my 5mm diving boots last time I was out but it makes my feet too big to fit correcly in the straps. It kept them toasty warm though but just couldn't ride properly...
Any suggestion as to what I can use ? (I'm still learning so still doing a fair bit of walking and in-water time...)

Cheers
SibboV1
SibboV1
368 posts
368 posts
20 Apr 2016 8:30pm
nocrack said..
Hi tehre,

I'm getting my feets freezing cold and was wondering what is the best option for this. I used my 5mm diving boots last time I was out but it makes my feet too big to fit correcly in the straps. It kept them toasty warm though but just couldn't ride properly...
Any suggestion as to what I can use ? (I'm still learning so still doing a fair bit of walking and in-water time...)

Cheers


I moved to Qld, solved the cold problems I had in Melbourne.

Try some thinner boots and loosen your straps.
nocrack
nocrack
VIC
17 posts
VIC, 17 posts
20 Apr 2016 11:01pm
The straps are loosen to the max already but it's quite limited, they're not that big...
moving to QLD sounds good but I need to live in a real city...
bigtone667
bigtone667
NSW
1559 posts
NSW, 1559 posts
21 Apr 2016 6:37am
You can booties that are about the same thickness as heavy socks. You just need to hunt around for them.
Plummet
Plummet
4862 posts
4862 posts
22 Apr 2016 8:37am
I've got these. They are thin and keep the feet warm and fit in tight bindings. But not so good walking on pointy rocks.




nocrack
nocrack
VIC
17 posts
VIC, 17 posts
22 Apr 2016 11:42am
Thanks, I 'll shop around and look at what I can find. What are the ones you bought Plummet ? Oneal ? What thickness ?
Plummet
Plummet
4862 posts
4862 posts
22 Apr 2016 11:12am
They might be 2 or 3mm?
flyingcab
flyingcab
VIC
942 posts
VIC, 942 posts
22 Apr 2016 6:52pm
nocrack said..
I need to live in a real city...


Maybe you should use real equipment then and ride boots.

Rails
Rails
QLD
1371 posts
QLD, 1371 posts
23 Apr 2016 6:51am
flyingcab said..

nocrack said..
I need to live in a real city...



Maybe you should use real equipment then and ride boots.



Maybe go strapless
SibboV1
SibboV1
368 posts
368 posts
23 Apr 2016 7:41am
Plummet said..
I've got these. They are thin and keep the feet warm and fit in tight bindings. But not so good walking on pointy rocks.





They aren't good for pointy rocks, because they are not surf booties.....

cauncy
cauncy
WA
8407 posts
WA, 8407 posts
23 Apr 2016 6:44pm
Australian waters don't get cold
They may change temperature during seasons,
As an ex uk army diver here's a couple of tips
Some people have a good tolerance to cold temps compared to others,some have poor circulation , there's little you can change about that,
Adding an extra fleece liner or thermal rash vest can help, as your body protects it's core temp 1st , so your fingers ,toes , ears, snoz are first to suffer , so adding an extra layer to the body can help
On shallow dives I used to leave a bowl of water out over night, prior to dive I'd have my feet in it for an hour having a few cuppas and breakfast
Also a swinging action of the limbs with force 30/50 times to get the blood flowing, my feet would be toasty
Dry suit dives, this is where my 5 cups of tea came into play, warm flowing lash


That's cold water
cauncy
cauncy
WA
8407 posts
WA, 8407 posts
23 Apr 2016 7:24pm
Plummet said..
I've got these. They are thin and keep the feet warm and fit in tight bindings. But not so good walking on pointy rocks.





its a known fact kiwis don't have tight gumboots
so they can put the sheeps back legs in
walking her/him to the edge of the mountain on pointy rocks for extra back up
Plummet
Plummet
4862 posts
4862 posts
24 Apr 2016 3:21am
cauncy said..

Plummet said..
I've got these. They are thin and keep the feet warm and fit in tight bindings. But not so good walking on pointy rocks.





its a known fact kiwis don't have tight gumboots
so they can put the sheeps back legs in
walking her/him to the edge of the mountain on pointy rocks for extra back up


Bloody hell! The ignorance of it all!!!..... If you have tight stretchy boots then you lock the sheeps legs in tight.


SibboV1 said..


They aren't good for pointy rocks, because they are not surf booties.....




Shhhhhh. Don't tell the missis I'm uploading pic's of my gimp suit onto the interweb.
jms
jms
NSW
131 posts
jms jms
NSW, 131 posts
24 Apr 2016 3:51pm
Hah, when I wore wetsocks (like plummet's) as a beginner I lost them - I got ripped off the board and they got left behind!

Now I have a pair of lightweight boots with the velcro strap to keep them on!
KIT33R
KIT33R
NSW
1716 posts
NSW, 1716 posts
26 Apr 2016 3:06pm
Gimps aside, try these

www.ripcurl.com.au/mens/wetsuits/accessories.html
Loftywinds
Loftywinds
QLD
2060 posts
QLD, 2060 posts
26 Apr 2016 9:15pm
Eat more cement.



Do you get cold feet generally though?

Sounds like you may have poor circulation due to poor diet or a diet too high in meat and carbs.

But then again you're in Melbourne. ****tiest coldest place other than Hobart
nocrack
nocrack
VIC
17 posts
VIC, 17 posts
4 May 2016 1:02pm
I do not get generally cold feet, just in water. My body is generally warm though literally just the feet.

I don't know what you call poor diet but I really don't think I do. I don't eat meat on a daily basis and tend to cook all my meals so I know what goes in it. Poor circulation could be a reason but I'd find it hard to improve my diet.

I bought a pair of 2mm with velcro strap but haven't tried them yet. If they are no good, I'll by the ripcurl KIT33R suggested I think !
Kit3kat
Kit3kat
QLD
202 posts
QLD, 202 posts
28 May 2016 10:10pm
Just word of advice here from Europe; I wear a drysuit with attached latex socks and wear boots with this in winter. (very warm :) )

With sturdy boots you loose a lot of feeling in your feet and aren't really connected to the board anymore. It is much harder to go upwind and do fine adjustments to the edging and the direction of the board.
KIT33R
KIT33R
NSW
1716 posts
NSW, 1716 posts
30 May 2016 9:06am
Kit3kat said..
Just word of advice here from Europe; I wear a drysuit with attached latex socks and wear boots with this in winter. (very warm :) )

With sturdy boots you loose a lot of feeling in your feet and aren't really connected to the board anymore. It is much harder to go upwind and do fine adjustments to the edging and the direction of the board.


You do get used to boots, but I agree, if they are too thick you lose feel. I kited in boots for a couple of years after a foot injury and became at home in them.


Lambie
Lambie
QLD
742 posts
QLD, 742 posts
30 May 2016 8:41pm
I tried boots - even the thin ones but just find I lose all tactile feel for the board. I guess it wasn't too bad for riding TT but now that I'm enjoying the SB thing cold feet in winter is an issue !! Strangely it seems that soon after I hit the cold water I start to get cold fingers and toes and if I just keep kiting it gets worse to the point where there is no blood flow and some of my fingers and toes go white - not good!!

But - Iv'e also found that if after the initial cold shock, I spend a bit of time getting blood flow back into my extremities they seem to stay warm for the next couple of hours?? I don't know how that works but it does!! Ive kited through winter for the past 7 years - to the point of kiting on days with snow forecast on the main range to the north of Gippsland here in Vic - maybe its just no brain no pain !!

I'm not talking about kiting in conditions that need drysuits - that would be nuts not to protect hands and feet !!!

Another point to consider with kiting in cold conditions is protecting your ear canals - surfers ear is a real problem :-( Other posts on SB will tell you that getting your ear canals drilled out to regain your balance and hearing is not a fun thing!
Plummet
Plummet
4862 posts
4862 posts
30 May 2016 7:03pm
Lambie said..
I tried boots - even the thin ones but just find I lose all tactile feel for the board. I guess it wasn't too bad for riding TT but now that I'm enjoying the SB thing cold feet in winter is an issue !! Strangely it seems that soon after I hit the cold water I start to get cold fingers and toes and if I just keep kiting it gets worse to the point where there is no blood flow and some of my fingers and toes go white - not good!!

But - Iv'e also found that if after the initial cold shock, I spend a bit of time getting blood flow back into my extremities they seem to stay warm for the next couple of hours?? I don't know how that works but it does!! Ive kited through winter for the past 7 years - to the point of kiting on days with snow forecast on the main range to the north of Gippsland here in Vic - maybe its just no brain no pain !!

I'm not talking about kiting in conditions that need drysuits - that would be nuts not to protect hands and feet !!!

Another point to consider with kiting in cold conditions is protecting your ear canals - surfers ear is a real problem :-( Other posts on SB will tell you that getting your ear canals drilled out to regain your balance and hearing is not a fun thing!


Watch out man. hypothermia sneaks up on ya. If you start flying your kite like **** and don't know why.... hypothermia might be setting in. I recon I got a case of it once. I was out for an hour or so about 9deg water and air temp with maybe 0 wind chill with a howling southerly. Then I just started crashing the kite and riding like ****. Pulled pin and It took me 2 hours in the car with the heater on it heat back up. Brrrrrrr

Now I don't take any chances. If its cold the hoodie, gloves booties and impact vext go on.
junglejim1971
junglejim1971
VIC
124 posts
VIC, 124 posts
1 Jun 2016 10:24pm
Hi yu, I'm from good old sunny melbs and never ride without boots even in summer, there is just way too much crap in the water not to wear them, I'm very used to them as I have been using them from the start and you never know what lurks below, sea urchin and blue ringed octopus for example
junglejim1971
junglejim1971
VIC
124 posts
VIC, 124 posts
1 Jun 2016 10:24pm
Hi yu, I'm from good old sunny melbs and never ride without boots even in summer, there is just way too much crap in the water not to wear them, I'm very used to them as I have been using them from the start and you never know what lurks below, sea urchin and blue ringed octopus for example
curls
curls
WA
74 posts
WA, 74 posts
7 Jun 2016 10:46am
I was kiting in Sweden for 4 years before coming to Australia. Winter temp drops well below zero and we used to kite (in the ocean) when it was snowing outside, ice on the ground and the water temp was sitting around the 4 degrees mark. Having good neoprene footwear was really key to be able to enjoy your session for more than a few minutes and there's a big difference between the type of footwear you use when diving or surfing compared to kiting.

First of all it comes down to what type of bindings you've got - straps, wakeboard boots or strapless.

Straps: With straps, one key thing to look for is a pair of boots that doesn't have a strap (e.g. velcro) going across the ankle, as this will most likely get in the way of the straps on the board, which can make it hard to fit your feet in the straps and make it quite uncomfortable. I saw someone above suggested the Ripcurl flashbomb boots, I would advice against them since that velcro going across the foot will get in the way of the straps on the board. (an option might be to remove the velcro, but that might leave the boots feeling a bit too loose since it was designed with the strap in mind and might lack sturdiness without it).
Anything from a pair of 3mm boots and up is good. You don't necessarily need a 5mm pair in Australia, since it rarely gets that cold here. Keep in mind that surfers/divers are exposed to the cold water almost all the time, while kiters mostly only get the spray and cold wind, meaning that you can often make due with a thinner pair of boots while kiting. The OP mentioned being a beginner and walking around in the water, in that case a thicker pair might be a better option. Also see the tips below.

Boots: If you ride boots any type of neoprene shoe/boot is out of question, however I found that using thin neoprene socks helped a lot on those cold winter days. Depending on the type of boots (open toe, closed toe, system bindings) and how much water they let through you might be able to get away with a regular pair of socks (preferably wool/merino wool or syntetic. stay away from cotton!). I was using a pair of 1mm split toe socks which worked great. Watch out for thicker socks since they might stretch out the inside of the boots which will make them too big when you get back to riding without the socks in summer. Also, even if 1mm neoprene socks are great for wearing inside something that protect them (like a pair of boots), they are completely rubbish to wear on their own and walk around in. Any little rock or uneven surface will tear up big holes (which will let water through, brr!) so make sure you put them on just before getting on the board and be careful while walking in them.

Strapless: Well, options for strapless is kind of a mix between straps (above) and surfing. Basically, go for a pair of boots that gives you as much feel for the board as possible.

Pro tip #1: If you're still cold and you're getting water in through between the boots/socks and the wetsuit, try strapping a velcro strap, rubber band or anything similar around your leg to seal the the boots/socks tight against your leg and wetsuit. Some winter wetsuits even come with such a strap built in and can be useful even without boots/socks as well. Watch out for Aladdin legs (when heaps of water gets trapped inside your wetsuit legs), if your wetsuit doesn't have built in drain holes, use a hole punch or something sharp to make a few small holes just above where you put the velcro strap.

Pro tip #2: Another way to prevent water from coming through is to put the wetsuit outside of the boots/socks (or vice versa). Which way is better is a personal preference and depends on the boots/socks and the wetsuit itself. Personally I used to put the neoprene boots on the outside of my wetsuit when riding straps to prevent spray from going up my leg, but I used to put the neoprene socks inside of the wetsuit when riding boots to prevent the water from getting in to the socks from the top.


Gorgo
Gorgo
VIC
5127 posts
VIC, 5127 posts
7 Jun 2016 1:57pm
Wear booties all the time. You have much better grip and your feet are protected from rocks and urchins and stuff. In summer you can walk across hot sand without burning your feet.

I have found anything like these to be the best:



All the main brands have something similar.

- 3mm is warm enough for all year round use in Vic.

- the low cut ankle is low enough that they dry out and high enough that sand and shells and stuff don't splash in and you can tuck in your wetsuit ankles to stop ballooning.

- avoid external split toes because they tear in the joint between the toes. An internal big toe divider is ok.

- avoid mesh sides and drain holes and very low cut ankles. They let in sand and shells and it hurts.

- avoid high cut ankles. They don't dry in winter and it looks like you are wearing black socks in summer with shorts.

- the grip with booties is far superior to bare feet or wax. I ride my surf SUP all year round with booties and no deck pad or wax.

- the lack of feeling thing is BS. I gybe and ride strapless and everything with booties all year round. I do fine.

- go for a snug fit but not too tight. Too loose and your feet get wedged into the boot and that stops circulation. It hurts and makes your foot cold. Too tight and you squash your big toe.

- the draw string is important to snug the boots around your ankle to keep the wettie tucked in and sand and stuff out.

- the Velcro strap high on the instep is fine. It doesn't foul the foot strap. Avoid a strap lower down near the front of the foot.

- if you walk into the water in a shore break with a gutter, you need to pick your feet up as the wave hits. If you don't then shells will get pushed inside your boots. Nothing hurts more than having a sharp bit of shell between your toes.
Lambie
Lambie
QLD
742 posts
QLD, 742 posts
15 Jun 2016 7:37pm
Ive found this to be the best option for me - but purely through trial and error !! I'm a bit surprised by the plain science behind my "experience" - simply fascinating!!

kiteforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=2387064&start=20

Ok the above link says core temperature is very important and I couldn't agree more - Hypothermia is deadly. Never compromise on core temperature !!

So yes Plummet - I cant agree more
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