Hey Pattie,

The obvious first tip for this one is to try it in lightish winds.....

Start the loop from 12 (as with most kiteloops) so as you are coming into the transition send the kite slowly as you would normally to wash off any speed and when it gets to 12 initiate the downloop. (remember it's a downloop so pull on your front hand)

Importantly, you will need to bear off downwind just before you loop the kite.

I have also found it easier if you are doing a toeside carve and then switching once you have completed the transition.....

Cheers mate, Have fun!!

Thanks Gilly,
I was thinking trying it heelside as I tend to lose speed more than during a toe side carve, dunno why, toe side i find i stick my rear hand (coming into the turn) in the water every time, maybe that keeps me away from the kite more?
Is there much 'feel' going on in the loop or do you just yank the bar down frontside and follow the kite? Also do you want to be looping as you're still heading into the turn or when you're headed at the kite or is it ok to be looping and still carving off the other way?
Congrats on the move acitta! did you get the move toeside and heelside? when you said you wanted to be ready to 'switch to your other edge quickly before the kite is on the opposite side of the window' is this when the kite is coming back up to twelve and you want to carve around with it? or do you you want to be ready to bail on the move and rail back to your approach side?
I am also hesitant to give move tips as well ! But that tip is directly as it was told to me, so I feel ok handing it on. but to share what little I have learnt anyways,

I have initiated the roll both ways (hand on hand off) but now that I 'know' not to have my rear hand 'doing' anything at the bar, I can leave it there and i'm aware to make sure it's just 'floating' around. lot's of '' '' '' ' there haha :p.
I haven't at all dialed in this move as my landings are anything but relaxed, but that's what I can share for now.
Sounds like you're getting some good breezes. We have had 6kts or 36kts so I haven't been thinking to loop carve lately! Lemme know if that works for you?
Cheers

pattiecannon said...
Thanks Gilly,
I was thinking trying it heelside as I tend to lose speed more than during a toe side carve, dunno why, toe side i find i stick my rear hand (coming into the turn) in the water every time, maybe that keeps me away from the kite more?
Is there much 'feel' going on in the loop or do you just yank the bar down frontside and follow the kite? Also do you want to be looping as you're still heading into the turn or when you're headed at the kite or is it ok to be looping and still carving off the other way?
Congrats on the move acitta! did you get the move toeside and heelside? when you said you wanted to be ready to 'switch to your other edge quickly before the kite is on the opposite side of the window' is this when the kite is coming back up to twelve and you want to carve around with it? or do you you want to be ready to bail on the move and rail back to your approach side?
I am also hesitant to give move tips as well ! But that tip is directly as it was told to me, so I feel ok handing it on. but to share what little I have learnt anyways,

OK mate I will try and break it down the best I can.......

Come into the transition as if you were doing a normal heelside carve, so, do your switch ready for heelside and start sending your kite to 12.

Release any edge you have and start to turn downwind.

Once you have released the edge and your kite is at 12, initiate the loop (yes there is feel in the kite it will be pulling you round the turn nicely) and as acitta said you will need to fully commit otherwise your kite will hit the water with you riding towards it. That equals slack lines + kite inverting .

I wouldn't say it's a yank on the bar but be firm and don't back out. Making sure you start from 12 is the secret, it shouldn't generate tooooo much power if you do this part correctly. Yes your kite will be looping riding through the turn but as your coming out of the turn the kite should be coming back up to 10 (not back up to 12 as you mentioned, it's less than a 360o loop) with you riding off nice and composed and a grin from ear to ear .

Your lines will be crossed, so spin the bar and correct them when you get a chance.

Once you get it, you will wonder what all the fuss was about! It's a good one to practice on those lightwind days as I mentioned before....

Oh, and bigmarks tip is spot on as well!

Mate I just read your pigtail thread and realized why your finding these so hard. A depowered kite flys like sh1t. More than 30% and I change kites. Yours sounds like you've modified it to 200%. Try them again when the wind is ideal for your kite size and you won't have probs with turning speed, kite response, and stalling. Also you will find that smaller kites loop much much easier.