How much difference does a few cm make?

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nikmcc
nikmcc
NSW
260 posts
NSW, 260 posts
22 Aug 2014 11:21am
Hi,

Im currently riding a 141cm Cabrinha Tronic, and feel its a touch small for me at 100kgs. I have an old scuffed up 148cm slingshot doyle that gets me going really well, but its old and heavy...

Im thinking of buying a 145cm tronic as I really like the one ive got.

My question is, will extra 4 cms make that much difference?






or...

If anyone has a 145 tronic and want a clean swap for 141, let me know :)
Rails
Rails
QLD
1371 posts
QLD, 1371 posts
22 Aug 2014 12:03pm
it really depends who you ask...

tomme
tomme
VIC
475 posts
VIC, 475 posts
22 Aug 2014 12:32pm
in simple terms...

can make a large difference but tough to compare apples with apples, length vs effective edge can be very different, some of it comes down to the conditions you are riding in
Chris_M
Chris_M
2132 posts
2132 posts
22 Aug 2014 10:35am
Its all about girth
nikmcc
nikmcc
NSW
260 posts
NSW, 260 posts
22 Aug 2014 12:41pm
same board, 4cm longer 1cm wider..

Will that extra size make it plane noticeably quicker, sink slower?

The 141 goes great when theres enough wind, but it does sink and stop very quickly if I loose a bit of power in the kite
someawe
someawe
WA
179 posts
WA, 179 posts
22 Aug 2014 4:43pm
Ask your lady if a couple of extra cm makes a difference!
weebitbreezy
weebitbreezy
635 posts
635 posts
22 Aug 2014 6:24pm
Watch these videos from Axxon(series of three). Should help you understand the key factors.



Short answer, yes should add maybe 2-3 knots bottom end but will make it more of a handful (bouncing over the waves) in higher winds. Maybe buy a surfboard for light wind and keep the Tronic for stronger wind?

Most people have different boards for different wind strengths. My light wind board has wheels on each corner


harlie
harlie
QLD
188 posts
QLD, 188 posts
22 Aug 2014 8:25pm
I'm going to say it is the outline and rocker of the Tronic that is causing your sinking when the power drops.

Width at the tips gives lift. Rocker requires power. I have a 142 similar shape to the Tronic, I bought a lightwind board to complement it. Big one is fun and easy when it’s light without the need for a 19m kite, smaller one with rocker goes great when it picks up.
4XL
4XL
VIC
222 posts
4XL 4XL
VIC, 222 posts
22 Aug 2014 8:35pm
I would keep the 141 but get a light wind board option. A bit less rocker, wider and longer than 145.

But, with that your kite size will be important.
cauncy
cauncy
WA
8407 posts
WA, 8407 posts
22 Aug 2014 7:22pm
Well worth a visit to the shinnworld site, width is much more important, the speedball is very efficient along with the king gee, but didn't feel big underfoot and held a great edge when things pick up,when reviewing id try to oversend the kite forcing a stall in power and make the board slump,the speedball was very very good , almost waiting for the kite to recover without sinking, water conditions are important, you'll need some rocker if you've got onshore waves , slop, or whitewash, flatter the water the flatter the board
Plummet
Plummet
4862 posts
4862 posts
24 Aug 2014 12:55pm
The tronic has tapered ends which reduces the surface area significantly. It makes it awesome is swell/waves and chop but it will also be power hungry for its size. On these types of boards you need to upsize from a traditional rectangular shape.

For your pie weight go the 145 x 43. That has about the same surface area as a 135 x 43 regular TT shape.

Note: it will never be a light wind stormer. I simply doesn't have the surface area.

Amusingly I have 2 boards. Both are 145 x 45

A wave mutant which is similar shape to the tronic. It kicks arse In the chop, waves and when its powered. But it's not to flash in light wind.

I also have a rectangular shape light wind TT. Its a great light wind board but gets overpowered easily and isn't as good in the waves.

Same dimensions but different shape and rocker make for a significantly different ride!.
nikmcc
nikmcc
NSW
260 posts
NSW, 260 posts
24 Aug 2014 6:54pm
Plummet said...
The tronic has tapered ends which reduces the surface area significantly. It makes it awesome is swell/waves and chop but it will also be power hungry for its size. On these types of boards you need to upsize from a traditional rectangular shape.

For your pie weight go the 145 x 43. That has about the same surface area as a 135 x 43 regular TT shape.

Note: it will never be a light wind stormer. I simply doesn't have the surface area.

Amusingly I have 2 boards. Both are 145 x 45

A wave mutant which is similar shape to the tronic. It kicks arse In the chop, waves and when its powered. But it's not to flash in light wind.

I also have a rectangular shape light wind TT. Its a great light wind board but gets overpowered easily and isn't as good in the waves.

Same dimensions but different shape and rocker make for a significantly different ride!.


Cheers for the insight

I've gone for the 145, so hopefully will be able to sell the 141, and I may look into a nice flat square flat water board.
Most places I kite are pretty choppy, and once I've got my **** together im planning to be out of the beach most off the time, hence the tronic.
puppetonastring
puppetonastring
WA
3619 posts
WA, 3619 posts
27 Aug 2014 12:31am
cauncy said..
Well worth a visit to the shinnworld site, width is much more important, the speedball is very efficient along with the king gee, but didn't feel big underfoot and held a great edge when things pick up,when reviewing id try to oversend the kite forcing a stall in power and make the board slump,the speedball was very very good , almost waiting for the kite to recover without sinking, water conditions are important, you'll need some rocker if you've got onshore waves , slop, or whitewash, flatter the water the flatter the board



Ditto from me.And most definitely YES. The performance of any well engineered board will vary a great deal adding or subtracting 4cm. Remember too (as Cauncy says) that while all kiters speak in lengths its the width thats at least as important - if not moreso.

Too small at 141?? Dont know the board but at 100kgs you would be well fitted to a much smaller Shinn - ie about 136 to 138.
pattiecannon
pattiecannon
QLD
593 posts
QLD, 593 posts
31 Aug 2014 6:59am
4cm won't do a hell of a lot but it won't hurt. it depends on the width also, 1cm of width is worth about 6 in length. haha.
m8 I would keep the 141 and just invest in an LW TT like a 150x50 king gee and maximize your days on top of the water.
It's the best way to improve faster. Looking at seabreeze is great for finding what does and doesn't work but it won't make
you a better kiter if you could instead be on the water on you're big ass LW kit while most others are looking up what new
8m they're gonna hunt down. . .
The 141 will be a sick board for the 8-10m days.
peace out
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